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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Rate the avatar of the person above you!
« on: December 24, 2010, 04:31:27 pm »
Cool looking symbol, but I don't know what it is. 50/70
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General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks guy arrested, Senator attempting retroactive law changing!
« on: December 24, 2010, 02:42:50 pm »I don't really want to invoke Godwin's law on this thread (or actually it's pacific counterpart), so I'll just point out that good intentions and following your conscience don't always have results that are desirable.
I don't think good intentions and Godwin's Law have much to do with each other at all... the actions of Nazis were not carried out with good intentions, at least not for the majority of the world.
And while it's true that a person can do bad things with good intentions, this isn't very useful to point out except as a plea to think through one's actions. If you really want to invoke Godwin, Manning could have been exposing secrets of the Nazi government leading up to WW2. I'm sure they would also accuse him of treason.
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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: The Tale of Baldedgilds
« on: December 24, 2010, 06:38:44 am »
3rd Granite, 130
Gearedtrusted wipes the sweat from her brow as the heat from magma beneath her feet does its work on the hematite ore. She daydreams idly as she turns the hunk of rock, melted iron dripping from the rock.
Until a sharp chill runs up her spine, as if someone dropped ice down her back. Her first thought is water falling from a cave-in and she dives to the side. Everyone else in the forgery gives her a strange look... She smiles embarrassedly and returns quietly to her smelting.
Once again, the chill, followed by a shivering dread and all of the hair rising on her neck and arms. She slowly turns, knowing something is standing just behind her... and there it is.
A barely visible, translucent and pale image of a dwarf stands behind her, a look of despair in its eyes. A whisper rushes through her ears, as if a strong breeze carries it from a great distance away -- "Bronzeroar..." The image distorts in the most horrid fashion, flickers, and vanishes.
Gearedtrusted stands frozen for nearly a minute before Giltanvil notices. "Gearedtrusted? You alright?"
"Did... did you see that? Please tell me you saw that."
"Saw what?"
"I... uh... I'm going for a drink."
Gearedtrusted blankly drops her tools and walks away. The other smelters around her merely shrug and continue working.
---
Threehall's administrative work is interrupted by a weak, slow knocking at his office door. "Come in."
"Threehall, I think... I think..." Gearedtrusted takes a deep breath, knowing she's about to sound crazy. "I think this place is haunted. I saw a ghostly image of a dwarf. I think it tried to tell me its name. Bronzeroar."
"Oh yes. Bronzeroar. He was never properly buried. Your claims about the ghost are ridiculous, of course, but you've reminded me to take care of this. Poor guy's bones are probably buried in the snow outside right now. I'll order some coffins immediately. Thank you. Back to work."
"But... But... What if it comes back?"
"You still alive?"
"Yes..."
"Good! Clearly nothing to worry about then!"
"But! You don't know what it was like!"
"THEN GO GET DRUNK AND GET BACK TO WORK"
"Alright. That works for me." Gearedtrusted promptly goes and gets herself some alcohol.
Gearedtrusted wipes the sweat from her brow as the heat from magma beneath her feet does its work on the hematite ore. She daydreams idly as she turns the hunk of rock, melted iron dripping from the rock.
Until a sharp chill runs up her spine, as if someone dropped ice down her back. Her first thought is water falling from a cave-in and she dives to the side. Everyone else in the forgery gives her a strange look... She smiles embarrassedly and returns quietly to her smelting.
Once again, the chill, followed by a shivering dread and all of the hair rising on her neck and arms. She slowly turns, knowing something is standing just behind her... and there it is.
A barely visible, translucent and pale image of a dwarf stands behind her, a look of despair in its eyes. A whisper rushes through her ears, as if a strong breeze carries it from a great distance away -- "Bronzeroar..." The image distorts in the most horrid fashion, flickers, and vanishes.
Gearedtrusted stands frozen for nearly a minute before Giltanvil notices. "Gearedtrusted? You alright?"
"Did... did you see that? Please tell me you saw that."
"Saw what?"
"I... uh... I'm going for a drink."
Gearedtrusted blankly drops her tools and walks away. The other smelters around her merely shrug and continue working.
---
Threehall's administrative work is interrupted by a weak, slow knocking at his office door. "Come in."
"Threehall, I think... I think..." Gearedtrusted takes a deep breath, knowing she's about to sound crazy. "I think this place is haunted. I saw a ghostly image of a dwarf. I think it tried to tell me its name. Bronzeroar."
"Oh yes. Bronzeroar. He was never properly buried. Your claims about the ghost are ridiculous, of course, but you've reminded me to take care of this. Poor guy's bones are probably buried in the snow outside right now. I'll order some coffins immediately. Thank you. Back to work."
"But... But... What if it comes back?"
"You still alive?"
"Yes..."
"Good! Clearly nothing to worry about then!"
"But! You don't know what it was like!"
"THEN GO GET DRUNK AND GET BACK TO WORK"
"Alright. That works for me." Gearedtrusted promptly goes and gets herself some alcohol.
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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: The Tale of Baldedgilds
« on: December 24, 2010, 05:07:23 am »
26th Opal, 129
Merchantseized kicks Seizewhips aside just as he's considering his latest work... "Another masterpiece... hey wha?!"
"Sorry! Need this!"
"But there's three other forges right here!"
"NO you don't understand! I need THIS one!" Merchantseized then runs off before Seizewhips can respond, who gives up and decides to just go drink away the annoyance.
---
Killer Pete studies Shieldtrailed's wounds tenderly. "You're healing nicely. You steel dwarves are made of wonderful stuff. Next we're going to HEY!"
Merchantseized bursts in and graps the cotton cloth dressing right out of Killer Pete's hands. "Sorry! Need this!" He then runs away before the doctor can respond.
---
Merchantseized knocks over a couple chairs, sprinting through the dining hall, pissing off more dwarves. "White chalcedony! White chalcedony! White chalcedony!"
---
Merchantseized bursts into Shieldtrailed's hospital room again. Killer Pete hands over the cave spider silk cloth "Does it have to be this one? We have plenty of the... nevermind... Be right back, Shield... again..."
---
Soon Merchantseized has gathered all his materials and sets to work. He doesn't stop to eat, drink, sleep, or anything for the next week. Life goes on normally for everyone around him.
---
"YES!!! It's done! It's perfect! Seizewhips Seizewhips!! This is what an artifact looks like. I call it Goalmurder."
Seizewhips leaves his forge to visit Merchantseized just a few steps away. He nudges up his glasses and studies the item with a critical eye.
"Yes. The highest craftsdwarfship. Congratulations Merchantseized. I must say, though. You're lucky you had adamantine available. I worked with the best of what we had at the time."
"You still could have made something better than a shoe..."
"But the quality of the craft is the same. I call it even."
"Ya? Well we'll see how many brains are kicked in versus picked in." Merchantseized marches off to show the item around, radiating smug satisfaction. Seizewhips watches him go, eyebrow twitching ever so slightly. After a moment, he returns to work. The red steel he forges feels his frustration for days to come.
Merchantseized kicks Seizewhips aside just as he's considering his latest work... "Another masterpiece... hey wha?!"
"Sorry! Need this!"
"But there's three other forges right here!"
"NO you don't understand! I need THIS one!" Merchantseized then runs off before Seizewhips can respond, who gives up and decides to just go drink away the annoyance.
---
Killer Pete studies Shieldtrailed's wounds tenderly. "You're healing nicely. You steel dwarves are made of wonderful stuff. Next we're going to HEY!"
Merchantseized bursts in and graps the cotton cloth dressing right out of Killer Pete's hands. "Sorry! Need this!" He then runs away before the doctor can respond.
---
Merchantseized knocks over a couple chairs, sprinting through the dining hall, pissing off more dwarves. "White chalcedony! White chalcedony! White chalcedony!"
---
Merchantseized bursts into Shieldtrailed's hospital room again. Killer Pete hands over the cave spider silk cloth "Does it have to be this one? We have plenty of the... nevermind... Be right back, Shield... again..."
---
Soon Merchantseized has gathered all his materials and sets to work. He doesn't stop to eat, drink, sleep, or anything for the next week. Life goes on normally for everyone around him.
---
"YES!!! It's done! It's perfect! Seizewhips Seizewhips!! This is what an artifact looks like. I call it Goalmurder."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seizewhips leaves his forge to visit Merchantseized just a few steps away. He nudges up his glasses and studies the item with a critical eye.
"Yes. The highest craftsdwarfship. Congratulations Merchantseized. I must say, though. You're lucky you had adamantine available. I worked with the best of what we had at the time."
"You still could have made something better than a shoe..."
"But the quality of the craft is the same. I call it even."
"Ya? Well we'll see how many brains are kicked in versus picked in." Merchantseized marches off to show the item around, radiating smug satisfaction. Seizewhips watches him go, eyebrow twitching ever so slightly. After a moment, he returns to work. The red steel he forges feels his frustration for days to come.
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General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks guy arrested, Senator attempting retroactive law changing!
« on: December 24, 2010, 02:06:42 am »I'm shaking with rage after reading that. Behold the consequences for acting according to one's conscience, as all human beings should. Reminds me of Battle Royale. Beat it into people's heads that good intentions only get you stabbed in the back, because they can never unite as long as they believe that.
I'm sorry but what good intentions? This man is being held in conditions that are deplorable. I can not deny that. But this man also committed treason. It's uncomfortable. But it's treason.
We've discussed this already.
Edit: Think of it this way. You could argue that his actions are treason against the U.S.. I don't think so, but you can make that argument, especially from a strictly legal sense.
But I consider myself someone who has equal obligation to the human race as a whole, not just a single nation. From my perspective as such, he has not committed treason. He's exposed it.
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General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks guy arrested, Senator attempting retroactive law changing!
« on: December 23, 2010, 11:30:10 pm »
I'm shaking with rage after reading that. Behold the consequences for acting according to one's conscience, as all human beings should. Reminds me of Battle Royale. Beat it into people's heads that good intentions only get you stabbed in the back, because they can never unite as long as they believe that.
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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Hi my name is a Obliza and I'm a perfectionist.
« on: December 23, 2010, 07:53:49 pm »
It's a combination of heartbreaking and befuddling to read about the problems you face.
The best advice I can give is to simply laugh. When things start going wrong, just stop yourself. Take a deep breath and really think about what's happening. Think about how comical and ridiculous it is that your dwarves are doing so stupid. Visually imagine this event taking place, full of personality. Laugh.
Personally, figuring things out is the most enjoyable part of any game for me. Like I get really really frustrated with playing RPGs online because people will barrage you with criticism of "You can't build that character that way! Go read these guides, they'll tell you how you're supposed to play, noob!" Doesn't work for me. If I'm told the best way to do everything before I've even begun to play, what's the point in playing at all?
The great thing about DF is it gives you so much to learn and explore, and it's wonderful that you absolutely cannot do it with just one game. Every embark will have different personality and show you things you've never seen before, and you'll never stop learning. Above all, the failures where you learn the most tend to be spectacular -- great opportunities to laugh your ass off.
I see you name your dwarves somewhat meticulously? Take it a step further. Keep a log. Write a story as you go. It doesn't have to be anything elaborate. Just take some notes about your dwarf's activities, personalities, and major events. Personally, I find this the best way to cure the "Shit it isn't perfect gotta start over" bug. There is drama here, and it's easy to get immersed in just like a tv show that keeps you coming back. This is why it's so much fun to read other people's stories about playing the game. It builds such a rich narrative if you're willing to look for it, and the failures enrich this narrative even further.
The best advice I can give is to simply laugh. When things start going wrong, just stop yourself. Take a deep breath and really think about what's happening. Think about how comical and ridiculous it is that your dwarves are doing so stupid. Visually imagine this event taking place, full of personality. Laugh.
Personally, figuring things out is the most enjoyable part of any game for me. Like I get really really frustrated with playing RPGs online because people will barrage you with criticism of "You can't build that character that way! Go read these guides, they'll tell you how you're supposed to play, noob!" Doesn't work for me. If I'm told the best way to do everything before I've even begun to play, what's the point in playing at all?
The great thing about DF is it gives you so much to learn and explore, and it's wonderful that you absolutely cannot do it with just one game. Every embark will have different personality and show you things you've never seen before, and you'll never stop learning. Above all, the failures where you learn the most tend to be spectacular -- great opportunities to laugh your ass off.
I see you name your dwarves somewhat meticulously? Take it a step further. Keep a log. Write a story as you go. It doesn't have to be anything elaborate. Just take some notes about your dwarf's activities, personalities, and major events. Personally, I find this the best way to cure the "Shit it isn't perfect gotta start over" bug. There is drama here, and it's easy to get immersed in just like a tv show that keeps you coming back. This is why it's so much fun to read other people's stories about playing the game. It builds such a rich narrative if you're willing to look for it, and the failures enrich this narrative even further.
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General Discussion / Re: I'm too old for the Internet :(
« on: December 23, 2010, 06:04:25 pm »Rule 34 is teh future.
Wasn't it William Gibson who said "The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."
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General Discussion / Re: I'm too old for the Internet :(
« on: December 23, 2010, 05:39:04 pm »
27 1/2 here. It sounds like you're too worried about keeping up with things. The net is incomprehensibly large now. Just enjoy the things you find on your own and appreciate that everyone you meet will be able to introduce you to new things. I think it's pretty neat.
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DF General Discussion / Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« on: December 23, 2010, 04:49:53 pm »Better yet, when will "Decorate with feathers" be added as an option to the Craftsdwarf Workshop?Building on this, when will tar-and-feathering go in?
(For the record, I'm cool with it using the Bonecrafter or Leatherworker skills.)
Or tickling, which could serve multiple purposes?
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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: The Tale of Baldedgilds
« on: December 23, 2010, 05:54:54 am »
14th Moonstone, 129
So dwarves begin grabbing buckets and heading down to the cavern lake, which appears to be safe now. There are a couple more horrid beasts known to be lurking the caverns, but they haven't been seen anywhere nearby.
Doorwades and Honorlance, two newcomers to Baldedguilds, are first to get there along with the new beastmaster, Apeclasped. They don't even get to the shore before noticing a great shape moving through the water.
"Umm... Wades... what is that..."
"I don't..."
Two large antennea emerge from the water for a brief moment, before the rest of the beast flops up on the shore with a dramatic splash. Apeclasped gazes in awe for a brief moment before the battle is upon him. "I know this one... it's Kuxo!!"
It lunges at him with a giant claw, capable of snapping off a limb with ease. He hops backwards out of reach. The three of them kick and punch at it briefly as its massive, squirming frame re-balances itself, before a bulldog leaps in and starts harrassing it. They take this opportunity to escape and fetch help. The dog puts up a valiant effort, keeping the beast occupied long enough for Copperfliers to pelt it with several siltstone bolts.
It breaks free and attempts to charge up the ramp, looking for weaker victims. Instead, it encounters some of Baldedgild's finest soldiers. Tradetongues and Glazedluster of the Holy Steels intercept, along with Channelfrill and a war dog. The fight is quite one-sided from this point on. Glazedluster removes several of its feet with his adamantine short sword. The bulldog loses a leg and bleeds out just before Tradetongues lodges his shield in Kuxo's brain. The tenacious beast continues fighting a short while longer, even with a huge tear in its brain, managing to disembowel and slay the other dog before massive neural damage sends it into deadly seizures.
Finally the lake is safely accessible, and patients begin receiving water. Within a month, all but 5 patients have been released after successful treatment. Shieldtrailed and Lashnation shall remain for some time yet to come. So far the hospital has not failed to care for a single dwarf. Many miracle recoveries are attributed to the liberal application of adamantine sutures.
So dwarves begin grabbing buckets and heading down to the cavern lake, which appears to be safe now. There are a couple more horrid beasts known to be lurking the caverns, but they haven't been seen anywhere nearby.
Doorwades and Honorlance, two newcomers to Baldedguilds, are first to get there along with the new beastmaster, Apeclasped. They don't even get to the shore before noticing a great shape moving through the water.
"Umm... Wades... what is that..."
"I don't..."
Two large antennea emerge from the water for a brief moment, before the rest of the beast flops up on the shore with a dramatic splash. Apeclasped gazes in awe for a brief moment before the battle is upon him. "I know this one... it's Kuxo!!"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It lunges at him with a giant claw, capable of snapping off a limb with ease. He hops backwards out of reach. The three of them kick and punch at it briefly as its massive, squirming frame re-balances itself, before a bulldog leaps in and starts harrassing it. They take this opportunity to escape and fetch help. The dog puts up a valiant effort, keeping the beast occupied long enough for Copperfliers to pelt it with several siltstone bolts.
It breaks free and attempts to charge up the ramp, looking for weaker victims. Instead, it encounters some of Baldedgild's finest soldiers. Tradetongues and Glazedluster of the Holy Steels intercept, along with Channelfrill and a war dog. The fight is quite one-sided from this point on. Glazedluster removes several of its feet with his adamantine short sword. The bulldog loses a leg and bleeds out just before Tradetongues lodges his shield in Kuxo's brain. The tenacious beast continues fighting a short while longer, even with a huge tear in its brain, managing to disembowel and slay the other dog before massive neural damage sends it into deadly seizures.
Finally the lake is safely accessible, and patients begin receiving water. Within a month, all but 5 patients have been released after successful treatment. Shieldtrailed and Lashnation shall remain for some time yet to come. So far the hospital has not failed to care for a single dwarf. Many miracle recoveries are attributed to the liberal application of adamantine sutures.
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General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks guy arrested, Senator attempting retroactive law changing!
« on: December 23, 2010, 12:42:04 am »Pretty much. It's a mental thing. It's almost subconscious.
Exactly why the use of the word rape really pisses me off here. It's obvious that this one word has an incredible effect on many people's perceptions. There should at least be some extra descriptor attached for those who don't bother to actually read into the details of the case.
Edit: And statements in the media from other feminist rights activists have also had plenty of negative things to say about authority's treatment of the case based on its classification and inconsistencies when compared to more clearly defined rape cases.
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General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks guy arrested, Senator attempting retroactive law changing!
« on: December 22, 2010, 04:29:20 pm »Probably because of the massive attacks on their reputations they've received since bringing up the case.
Probably. They both likely want to drop off the face of the earth at this point, and are trying to salvage their lives as much as they can now. It's unfortunate. Based only on what I know, I disagree with their judgement... but I disagree more with their treatment by the internet community.
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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: The Tale of Baldedgilds
« on: December 22, 2010, 03:01:35 pm »
10th Moonstone, 129
Three rookie miners dig out the tunnel to the underground lake that will sustain the injured through the winter.
All looks clear at first when the wall is breached. In a couple minutes, though, a mad barking and flapping noise emerges from the depths of the cavern, closing in quickly. Craftsriddles, Sternlance, and Singlecrypt sprint up the main ramp yelling "Zax!! Zax is coming!!" They run right past Threehalls, who was hauling some ore down to the smelters.
"Aw shit..." He runs upstairs after the three panicked miners. "CALL THE HOLY STEELS! FLESHRING COME DEAL WITH THIS ABOMINATION NOW!!!"
The Holy Steels were up in the barracks training, however, and are slow to respond. Zax charges into the main ramp and selects Pillarmarket as its first target. "WHY THE HOLY SHIT!" Pillarmarket takes off running, but doesn't get far before she's forced to stop and focus on avoiding blows. A heroic mastiff leaps into the battle as soon as it begins, and latches onto the mutant flying harrier's legs. Pillarmarket takes advantage of this distraction, and strikes deep into its squirming flesh several times. Ringdented's pet cave tortoise is also nearby, and tries its hardest to help out, though it's too slow to be of any use.
Pillarmarket rips Zax's stomach open with one especially well placed strike, yet somehow it's more enraged by the harmless turtle. It knocks the poor reptile over on its back and moves in for the kill. At that moment, Copperfliers pops up from the level below and nails Zax in the head with a siltstone bolt, tearing a spinal tendon. Zax still isn't dissuaded from tearing open the tortoise's skull, spillings its contents all over the floor.
Zax then flies up the ramp, attempting to escape the mastiff that's been leaping up and tearing apart its legs. What Zax does not expect is to run into one incredibly mean rooster!
The forgotten beast is caught completely off-guard, and pauses long enough for the mastiff to catch up. Ectotrades, an untrained military reserve, also shows up and starts beating on the creature unarmed. It's quickly brought to the ground, and has no time to fight back as it flails and rolls to avoid being ripped apart by multiple clenching jaws. After taking a considerable beating in this manner, it rolls off the ledge overhanging the ramp and howls as it falls. It hits floor below with a terrible crunch, and lays whimpering for a few seconds while the mastiff and rooster round the ramp to continue their assault. They leap upon the beast and begin tearing at it again.
In desperation, its defensive flails grow more dangerous. One lucky swipe spills the mastiff's guts all over the floor. Staffrun then appears and shows up the eldritch creature by leaping from the next floor up and cleaving it in half with one swing.
And then the race for water begins.
---
Threehalls seeks out Fleshring to ask about the fight with Zax "Where were you? Things could have gone much worse. You should have been there."
Fleshring blushes strangely. "Aww I'm sorry Threehalls. Me next baby daughter was born durin' that fight. Just couldn' make it."
"Oh... well congratulations. No harm done I suppose. All we lost was a couple pets."
"Good ta hear! Finally a military operation with no bumblin'"
As they're about to get back to their separate jobs, a very proud rooster struts by.... the two dwarves stare at it a moment, wondering what it's so obviously pleased about.
Three rookie miners dig out the tunnel to the underground lake that will sustain the injured through the winter.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
All looks clear at first when the wall is breached. In a couple minutes, though, a mad barking and flapping noise emerges from the depths of the cavern, closing in quickly. Craftsriddles, Sternlance, and Singlecrypt sprint up the main ramp yelling "Zax!! Zax is coming!!" They run right past Threehalls, who was hauling some ore down to the smelters.
"Aw shit..." He runs upstairs after the three panicked miners. "CALL THE HOLY STEELS! FLESHRING COME DEAL WITH THIS ABOMINATION NOW!!!"
The Holy Steels were up in the barracks training, however, and are slow to respond. Zax charges into the main ramp and selects Pillarmarket as its first target. "WHY THE HOLY SHIT!" Pillarmarket takes off running, but doesn't get far before she's forced to stop and focus on avoiding blows. A heroic mastiff leaps into the battle as soon as it begins, and latches onto the mutant flying harrier's legs. Pillarmarket takes advantage of this distraction, and strikes deep into its squirming flesh several times. Ringdented's pet cave tortoise is also nearby, and tries its hardest to help out, though it's too slow to be of any use.
Pillarmarket rips Zax's stomach open with one especially well placed strike, yet somehow it's more enraged by the harmless turtle. It knocks the poor reptile over on its back and moves in for the kill. At that moment, Copperfliers pops up from the level below and nails Zax in the head with a siltstone bolt, tearing a spinal tendon. Zax still isn't dissuaded from tearing open the tortoise's skull, spillings its contents all over the floor.
Zax then flies up the ramp, attempting to escape the mastiff that's been leaping up and tearing apart its legs. What Zax does not expect is to run into one incredibly mean rooster!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The forgotten beast is caught completely off-guard, and pauses long enough for the mastiff to catch up. Ectotrades, an untrained military reserve, also shows up and starts beating on the creature unarmed. It's quickly brought to the ground, and has no time to fight back as it flails and rolls to avoid being ripped apart by multiple clenching jaws. After taking a considerable beating in this manner, it rolls off the ledge overhanging the ramp and howls as it falls. It hits floor below with a terrible crunch, and lays whimpering for a few seconds while the mastiff and rooster round the ramp to continue their assault. They leap upon the beast and begin tearing at it again.
In desperation, its defensive flails grow more dangerous. One lucky swipe spills the mastiff's guts all over the floor. Staffrun then appears and shows up the eldritch creature by leaping from the next floor up and cleaving it in half with one swing.
And then the race for water begins.
---
Threehalls seeks out Fleshring to ask about the fight with Zax "Where were you? Things could have gone much worse. You should have been there."
Fleshring blushes strangely. "Aww I'm sorry Threehalls. Me next baby daughter was born durin' that fight. Just couldn' make it."
"Oh... well congratulations. No harm done I suppose. All we lost was a couple pets."
"Good ta hear! Finally a military operation with no bumblin'"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As they're about to get back to their separate jobs, a very proud rooster struts by.... the two dwarves stare at it a moment, wondering what it's so obviously pleased about.
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General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks guy arrested, Senator attempting retroactive law changing!
« on: December 22, 2010, 06:05:07 am »
Last I heard, one of the girls had left Sweden, and wasn't even cooperating with the case anymore.