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PFP (because posting 20 minutes from first uni class felt like a good idea :V)

DA while I have TMS under my newbie cardzone, I can see some merit in his case (despite being somewhat mostly based on...your self-description of *being inefficient >_> TMS, expound on that* bit)
TMS, I'm going to make this fairly simple for you. Back that up with something that isn't a petulant excuse or I will daykill you.
...Seriously.

While I get having a daykill is a nice bit of leverage you can thrust onto people, you're thrusting it...right in people's faces, without the open consideration people have onto OTHERS. While I also get that the orange bit is more of an intimidating force (which in my notes is a characteristic of your general play), there's a...lack of content in your posts thus far. This is somewhat correlational to my 'DA Scumhunting track' because it is narrowed down--not a bad thing (since you're in my green-zone of not being cult lleader//Mafia), but...
You have...like 6+ other targets. "Several" other targets. :v
Hold on, didn't you try to daykill me yesterday? Hypocrisy much? :P
Also, I remember the "I have a weapon pointing right at you do what I say" tactic occurring quite a bit before. Although here it's not quite the same.

Quote from: Tiruin
TolyK
You're sweet and I love you just as much as anyone else, and the smilies are a topping on me seeing you as my silly playerbuddy [OOC], but bleh. :P
<3

Quote from: Tiruin
Ineffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.
I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
(OR HE'S A JESTER!!!1! /jokes)



I feel really shitty (headache etc.) so I'll answer the standing questions directed to me and yeah.

Tiruin: Those huge sentences with interjections sometimes burn my reading comprehension out.  :P

Anyway! Someone exchanged with me a role that I most likely believe they knew the name of (hint: It's specifically dealing with what happened yesterday--and given the shift of mention today,
Did you give any more info about this?
[1]
Quote from: Tiruin
I can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?
Not quite sure how what you did rules it out, tho.
[2]

Quote from: Tiruin
I'm basically asking everyone's reads as of this moment. Also is massclaiming a good idea? I'm all for that too.

I also would like to forward the idea of those who have flipped TOWN to claim everything they did earlier that they are comfy with [ie Basically claiming anything that helps narrow down the scum-spects] because this works as a double-edge for them if they have revived under another alignment[/b]
I'm ok for claiming like 90% of my role. The 10% would be insurance. ;) Actions I have already claimed (2 chats).
[2]


Quote from: Tiruin's Reads
TolyK -- >_> I don't know anymore. He's been a hectic bunch of tumbleweeds [mafia-relation not meant; figurative mention really meant.] because of his attitude the whole game. HOWEVER I don't think he's Mafia given his blatant outrightness in going 'everyone can win! I need notes on the Mafia ;D' <_> Though I usually assume that Mafia = teamplay and his play is...not team-oriented. Especially with that presumed 'Nuke-in-a-box' he's holding; still doesn't strike somewhat town-y because HE HASN'T USED IT. A very noteful thing for later on.
I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.
Elaborate harder, now.
Elaborated harder, ma'am.
Sorry for purging your reading comprehension :-\ and thanks for having the TolyK patience of reading through it like a nice guy :D

But points!
[1] Not really...because I only received word of it today. Thing is, the role given to me was noted in my PMbox this day start. It had the option to return it to the one sending it to me as a free action, so...I did. And now have my initial role taken from me, back. As far as I know, it seems to be a role-switcher thing, in which the one who switched it (AND HASN"T CLAIMED YET) knows the role.
Now on the 'I most likely believe they knew the name of' bit, that role that was borrowed from me has a very specific name wording that I believe the player who submitted it and it was rolled randomly given, knows, given the instance of how I used it yesterday :P [Seriously.]
OK, so someone can suggest a (voluntary) role-swap with others.

Quote from: Tiruin
[2] ...I targeted Tawarochir last night; while that claim is non-evidence...ial, 4mask did note a change between cult #s. I'ma ssuming the cult leader's action is a night one (because that'd be hilarious if it was DAY), but yeah. While I can't offer any substantial proof that I'm not the cult leader (other than, y'know, telling you I'm not, since that's what anyone would say on bounds of an infraction UNLESS they back it up with cleverness-in-a-way :V), I'm curious how you see me as a possible target.
Y'know, other than connecting me to Tawarochir in a creative way. If that was one possible factor, I'd like to know that too!
4mask: Detail the #s given last N3

Quote from: Tiruin
[2] 2 chats?
Expound, good sir.
Chat with TDS and DA (N1). Chat with NQT (N2). Free-action as insurance (unclaimed as of yet). Nothing N3 or any day, because blocked.



Okay, quick question TolyK: Why the actual fuck would I fake claim and an ability that is ridiculously easy to check and prove the falsehood of?  All it would take is a single neutral-or-friendly-to-town third party that wasn't on my list and I would have been immediately caught out in my lie.  I could buy me doing that late in the game, but early on with most of the players still alive in a decently large game?  Nope.  You either think I'm an idiot, didn't think through the implications of your accusation, or are really, really stretching to try and implicate me.
First off, neither the mafia nor cult would counter-claim. Secondly, it's a fairly decent gamble. There were also talks of role/wincon obscuration, so you could've fallen back on that. No, I don't really think you're an idiot or implicating, just stating my suspicions. Defensive much?

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FLABORT: It was a while ago, but Extend for good measure. :P

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Hint: I talk with NQT sometimes.

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I'd find it likely that Cult can't convert Mafia members, unfortunately. Otherwise I'd probably have known. >.>

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Ugh... I'm not even going to bother. It's more or less clear enough.  ::)

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Ineffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.
I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
(OR HE'S A JESTER!!!1! /jokes)



I feel really shitty (headache etc.) so I'll answer the standing questions directed to me and yeah.

Votecount pls.

I had another one, but FallacyofUrist revealed early D1 that he had a copy of the role (indirectly), so I gave it to him N1.
So, you started with one, gave it to FoU, and eventually...

Hold up. Hold right on up.

I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.
Care to explain what this hunch of yours is, or are you happy to leave it ambiguous so you can get away with just about any explanation later?
Tolyk: Yes, I'd like to know too.
I suspected 4mask being the original infraction-giver, who I believed was anti-town, and of faking the "which alignments are at the beginning of the day" role. This is also partially because I said something about a cult, and there, magically, was a cult alignment.

I still have these suspicions, but for some reason I've lessed them a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Very in-line to have 2 cult members with his previous claim:
8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.
So I dunno what to make of it.



Tiruin: Those huge sentences with interjections sometimes burn my reading comprehension out.  :P

Anyway! Someone exchanged with me a role that I most likely believe they knew the name of (hint: It's specifically dealing with what happened yesterday--and given the shift of mention today,
Did you give any more info about this?

Quote from: Tiruin
I can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?
Not quite sure how what you did rules it out, tho.

Quote from: Tiruin
I'm basically asking everyone's reads as of this moment. Also is massclaiming a good idea? I'm all for that too.

I also would like to forward the idea of those who have flipped TOWN to claim everything they did earlier that they are comfy with [ie Basically claiming anything that helps narrow down the scum-spects] because this works as a double-edge for them if they have revived under another alignment[/b]
I'm ok for claiming like 90% of my role. The 10% would be insurance. ;) Actions I have already claimed (2 chats).

Quote from: Tiruin's Reads
TMS -- Newbie. I'm leaning neutral because despite the >_>'y ness of his posts, he reminds me of TolyK.
:D

Quote from: Tiruin's Reads
TolyK -- >_> I don't know anymore. He's been a hectic bunch of tumbleweeds [mafia-relation not meant; figurative mention really meant.] because of his attitude the whole game. HOWEVER I don't think he's Mafia given his blatant outrightness in going 'everyone can win! I need notes on the Mafia ;D' <_> Though I usually assume that Mafia = teamplay and his play is...not team-oriented. Especially with that presumed 'Nuke-in-a-box' he's holding; still doesn't strike somewhat town-y because HE HASN'T USED IT. A very noteful thing for later on.
I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.
Elaborate harder, now.
Elaborated harder, ma'am.

Quote from: Tiruin
TolyK (II): Since you can speak, and since you can boat, update on your current everything-you-can-tell.

I've also realized that nobody can win while NQT is...existing. I have a power to wipe him from existence but it activates only at night (inclusive with his roles--so he's basically not playing, as far as I know).
I initially thought you were scum for suggesting this. NQT didn't elaborate. :P
However, apparently it's difficult to remove him from the game, given the day event.

You kill the person dictated in the set of people who probably-aren't-the-cult-leader. :3

Why I say so is because
1. I fail math.
[2 mafia]+[2 cult] = 4 scum.
(Yeaaah I'm dum >_>)
But that hilariously means 3 town and 1 Outsider :v and I'm sure as fish that I'm town [barring a role I have that makes me silly :V]

But anyway. Logic time.
There are 9 players here. (Maybe barring yourself since you see 8? :V).
I'm grouping them into the roles we initially know, to seek out the C. Lead.

Tawarochir = ?
TheDarkStar = ?
The Moonlit Shadow = Possibility due to not having posted yet :v
Tiruin = I acted last night on Tawarochir; if I'm suspected to be the cult leader, that means I'm tied with him--I however have BLOCKED his [unconventional] action and he must have received a note from that, so awaiting his notice.
4maskwolf = ?
Shakerag = ?
Teneb = ?
Deus Asmoth = Is Grima. Can Daykill. Then the dude that gets killed has infractions.

TolyK (II) = Cannot act; is not cult leader [unless hilarity means he can act despite being infraction'd.]
Hector13 (I) = Outsider.
*FallacyOfUrist has not come back to life? Is TolyK the reviver then? [since he can't act and nobody has been revivified] :V
Oh, so scum #'s and cult #'s are the same, and scum + cult = town  + outsider? Whoo! :D


PFP
8) Is this too many questions? :P
The smiley was intentional I believe? :v
It was unintentinal, but I kept it when previewing. :>



TDS has a kill.
Where do you know this from?

This is probably the best-thought-through list of reads so far. :P :
Quote from: TMS)
Partial reads/alignments/rolestuffs:

DA: Probably town. As confirmed. Possible rolechange (I guess, always a possibility in these games), but he can't be the Cult leader. Could be cultist. His kills can't be protected from, but replace the target instead.

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I'm scum hunting right now. Effectively? Perhaps not. But in a fashion that amuses me, which is much better.

Stated that he's not exactly scumhunting at his best. Worrying... especially when you realize all the commotion that his scumhunting stirs up, which only gets people to suspect him, which is bad for the town. On the other hand, he doesn't feel too urgent. Which... normally, I wouldn't say is a terrible thing, but since there's a Cult Leader, that's pretty big. I'd give him a scummy lean because he is outright making himself seem scummy. Scum usually wouldn't do that, however, and there lies a problem. Still, he's wasting time.

Also: With his logic, no one is going to vote with him. Doesn't seem like he's actually scum hunting.

And it's gonna be hard to kill him. He still has a revive. If we lynch him, we're basically roleblocking him for a night.

Tawa: Poofed. Either lurking or blocked. I'd say lurking since there's no reason to block him - we want more content. So... I dunno. We'll see if he shows up.

TDS: Has a kill. He basically asked us to lynch him D1, so now we think he's unlynchable. Not sure if anyone tried to kill him. It's possible he has a role that makes him unlynchable on D1, however.

Only two posts so far today are about the new NPC's. And not too important posts either. I think he's scummy. He's got us to think that he's unlynchable, which is huge for scum (and not exactly huge for town, why town want to waste a lynch like that).

TDS: I'd like to know what those other things you prevent from happening are.

Shakerag: Questionable. Don't trust Flabort saying he's confirmed town, as he also said he's jester. I'm not sure how much we can trust Flabort here.

Generally not very active. A 'eat me' thingy post on D1. Some stuffs on D3 which I don't think was hugely consequential. Feels like he's not here. Could be Cult leader? Wonder if anyone roleblocked him N1. Probably not town due to lack of activity.

Teneb: Is gonna answer some questions soon. Reasonable guess that both new NPC's are town. Unlike Ragshake, these NPC's seem a lot less independent. Don't know if that's Flabort with stuff or something else. Towny lean.

Flabort: Made a few mistakes, but doing pretty good as far as 80 roles are concerned IMO. Don't know if we can believe him, however.

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There's 14 people on that list. There are only 13 players.
My mistake. 1 less town then that.
This seems legit, though. Wonder if that extra town was OSG?

Hector: Outsider. Concerned with Ragshake, as he should be. However, not quite concerned enough to the point that he's reading through the roles carefully to see who can help him. As in, DA. As DA said, that would help him hugely anyway.

Hector: May I ask if you can still use your abilities?

Seems like a disinterested outsider. I mean, I'm one to talk, but still. No scumminess that I can see. Autocorrect wants to change scumminess to yumminess.
[/quote]
Yummy. :D

Quote from: TMS
TolyK: No longer seems to think everyone can win. I think he can use his abilities now - his two infractions only blocked him for last phase. We'll see what changed.

He can talk to others, which is a pretty big deal. He's a big cultist target now - he can make a cultchat (assuming that there isn't one). That being said, he can also lie very easily. So... just remember that he could still lie. Just because it's only you and him doesn't mean he can't. And who knows? It might not be only you and him.

If the infraction giver was scum, then he's probably not scum. The only reason I can think of would be to stop one of his auto's if it was a bad auto.

His questions about the NPC infraction stuff is well deserved. However the only other thing he's done is a 'WTF' to DA's random voting which could be a reprimand (though that's dumb, if he wanted to do that he wouldn't have to tell us), or a fake. Since he really didn't back it up.

Neutral lean, a little too jumbled up.
I still believe it's possible for everyone to win (or at least most alive people), however I have 0 information on the cult.
I also don't know who the other two mafia members are (never told :3). However, why the eating-NQT thing failed is unclear. Lots of things still unclear.

At least some of my roles still work. :3



Jeez that was a lot. I don't think there was much content there, either.  :-\

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I used a kill power. There's either a third party, or TolyK has a power that's screwing with our results.
... why me, specifically? I have only made chats at night and tried not to die, so I don't see how I got into all this.

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I've also realized that I haven't answered some questions/comments. There ended up a lot of them, so I'll answer them tomorrow morning. Quickie tho: 4maskwolf "hunch" was that he was faking his alignment inspection role, but it currently seems legitimate to me. I am still town, still can't do anything b/c of the garbage roles, not sure if I'm still killable tho.

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Well then.
Quote from: FOU
Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka
I think we found the reviver.

Quote from: FOU
I'm still not sure why I submitted some of these.
Uh-huh.

Either way, this is basically what happens with the infraction system, Flabort. :>

@Fallacy about infractions: Then you've ruined the game.
"Ruined" is sort-of a strong word here. He hasn't given game-breaking info, or ratted out teammares or anything. Plus, if I had lived through, I'd add him to a merry little chat as well.

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: February 20, 2016, 01:21:27 pm »
superior playerbase
:D

Otherwise, I agree with OSG. I'd be interested, but probably only after FHPBYOR finishes or I die there.

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Tolyk
Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.
Oh so it was you?
-.-
Nope, my infractions come in fours. My role has already flipped, you know. This shouldn't be a shock.
Right. Ugh.

flabort, if an NPC is given four infractions, can they be replaced by a PC?
o.O
I... guess...
This deserves some attention, IMO.
Flabort:
1) If a PC is replaced, can they still post in quicktopics?
2) Does their replacement get their infractions replaced?
3) Can a replaced player replace the player that replaced them?
4) If a player is modkilled (via 6 infractions), can they be revived?
5) If (4) happens, do they end up with 0 infractions and have their powers work?
6) If a player is killed and they end up with 0 infractions and their powers would cause them to not die, what exactly happens?
7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?
8) Is this too many questions? :P

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Huh.
I got no night PM.  :(

Morning post, expect not much. :P

Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.
Oh so it was you?
-.-

Quote from: DA
Following on from that, Tolyk probably wouldn't be so open about wanting everyone to win as scum and TDS can't be lynched... so...
Tiruin, random chance tells me that you're scum. If you admit it now we can lynch you rather than forcing me to give you a bunch of infractions.
WTF.

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Mafia / Re: Banter thread. Oh, and some quote or another.
« on: February 19, 2016, 03:01:06 am »
And 3 spectators.

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Mafia / Re: Banter thread. Oh, and some quote or another.
« on: February 18, 2016, 11:35:18 pm »
Spoiler: "Balance" (click to show/hide)
:P

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Redoing to Ragshake because so far my hunch is inconclusive and I'm tired.

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