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((Not buying the ricochet. If you shoot a brick wall, you're not in danger of mortally wounding yourself. Too much energy is lost in the collision for it to really "bounce" and kill someone else.

Not to mention that most of the combatants don't care about civilian casualties.

Anyway, Abel didn't want to join the initiation ceremony, partly because he kind of suspected something like this would happen. Since he was considering crashing the ceremony himself, he figured that someone would. Though he wasn't expecting EVERYONE to crash it.))

Not everyone is. Just the guys worried about image.

Well, the question was more based on the fact that MacBeth and the Witch-King have remarkably similar prophecies protecting them.

And I suppose I should also bring up if MacDuff could kill the Witch-King.

((Eh, without the 100% mass energy thing (which I'm not sold on), the vast majority of the biomass is lost in transit because the space between galaxies is really really really huge.))

((1% of the biomass and such of several galaxies is still a lot of biomass.
And given how much every faction in WH40k ignores/breaks the laws of physics on a daily basis, a 110% matter-to-energy conversion wouldn't surprise me.))

Quote from: kisame12794 on December 18, 2013, 01:18:00 am

((Most of the Tyranids are melee oriented, with some ranged forms. If the Altered do absorb biomatter on contact, then the Tyranids wouldn't have a chance to bring flesh back to the hive. The Tyranids do conform to most biological guidelines, but the Altered have shown no qualms about ignoring biology altogether. Simply put, the Tyranids need time to assimilate things, and the Altered do not. You can't beat a cheating enemy without cheating yourself.))

((Um, I disagreee, strongly, with that final "can't beat cheaters without cheating" principal. It may be true in this case, but I've knowingly competed against cheaters and won while still playing fair. It's hard, but if you keep your mind open and figure out not just that they're cheating, but what exactly the cheat is, then you can act to counter it.))

((Well, it's a lot harder when the cheaters are cheating the laws of reality.))

((On that topic, I just wanted to note:

Tyranids are essentially 'beaten' through war, bullets and manpower.
The Altered, as far as we can tell, were killed out through war, bullets and manpower.
Hell, even the MassEffect universe's reapers (Massive capital-ship sized AI which created new troops out of their fallen/captured enemies) were pushed back pretty far by bullets, war and manpower.

((Really? Those seem like the most pointless and wasteful strategies to use against all three.))

But something like the flood with the only solution being "eliminate their food source" is a different scale of threat, canonically.

((Not really. I mean, the way you kill a vampire is different than how you'd kill a werewolf, but they're roughly the same "scale" of threat. And you need to look past "How do we kill it" do determine scale. Don't look at how you win--look at how you lose.))

tl;dr, The Zerg on crack

((Technically, it's more like the Zerg being Tyranids with withdrawal issues.
Fun fact: Starcraft was originally supposed to be a WH40k game. They couldn't get the licensing for it, though, so they made the Tyranids Zerg, the...Eldar, I think, Protoss, and I've comedically "forgotten" who the Terrans were.))

((You may have double-digit DR, but are you riding a GIANT ASSAULT LASER CAMEL? No? Didn't think so. General Veers out.))

((...Of course not. Dire camels are roughly as large compared to me as a cat is to a human. How could I ride one?
Also, why?))

((New RTD idea: "Vocabulary VS Dragons: The Ultimate Battle!"))

((...?))

((I think we started taking each other way more seriously than intended.))

(( I find it far more likely that dropping a chunk of altered biomass into their digester pods would result in exactly one thing: The complete and utter destruction of that base as the altered take over the digester pod and start churning out altered soldiers instead of Tyranids. ))

((The Nid's fleets won't actually be the size of galaxies even if they did consume a galaxies worth of planets because something like 99% of the biomass would be used up in the transit. After all, if (small) fleets can completely starve to death in the voyage between planets, then there's no way they can literally out mass the galaxy on arrival unless they pull some sort of 100% mass->energy conversion BS.

((Oh, because that's REALLY the most BS think in the WH40k-verse. Especially since the 'Nids are noted to consume portions of the planet and drain it of its geothermal energy, leaving it a barren shell of rock.
Besides, they have consumed multiple worlds of biomass. Probably also organic chemicals from nebullae. That's way more than enough to crush the Imperium, even if it controlled the whole galaxy, because only the tiniest bit of the tiniest bit of the potential organic matter in a galaxy can be people, and only a few thousand times that mass can be spacecraft or other machines to fight them off.))

Also trillions isn't really that big a number given that 32 trillion people live on Terra alone. If anything the Imperium outnumbers the Nids right now.

((Trillions of battleships. Or more like battlestars, I suppose.))

Who'd fare better? Calling UWM because of amps, fission instigators, ghost ships, etc.))

((On the other hand, the Imperium has psykers, space marines, and a lot less non-UWM bad stuff coming through than the UWM has non-Imperium stuff coming through.))

(( I find it far more likely that dropping a chunk of altered biomass into their digester pods would result in exactly one thing: The complete and utter destruction of that base as the altered take over the digester pod and start churning out altered soldiers instead of Tyranids. ))

((That would require horrible aim on the tyranids' part, since digestive juices aren't exactly organic matter.))

((Lizard? That is not only insulting, but factually as correct as calling you a lizard! Dragons are archosaurs, more closely related to crocodiles and carnosaurs than skinks and snakes. And, again, you pathetic degenerate, your name does not state who will be getting the disaster.))

WHOO GARGOYLE SUBTLETY!

Ahem. Hm, that's a window? Inconvenient.