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<You realize I can undo the seal on your shoulder from here right? Anyways, Anything to report?>

Will would have learned:
1. The Order's goal appears to be the Separation of Earth From Hell.
2. Will knows how the order's Arias work now and could probably devise some way of counteracting them.
3. The order already have all of the key items to their plan and that they will be enacting the plan soon.
4. The bomb called Seraphim is being air dropped onto the tallest flat point on the Vatican, which has a large portal frame built ontop of it, which is being powered by Mana Incarnate.
5. Will has no clue as to what they meant by Mana Incarnate.
6. A Japanese woman has been attempting to flirt with Will the entire time, though will was probably turning her down. (( totally plot relevant))

((Shoulder?))
1. Well duh.
2. He'd probably be considering it. Not exactly tough with his intuition. (Also, how do they work?)
3. Well, he's letting the group know all the details.
4. ...Why are they airdropping it?
5. Aw.
6. Of course he was. He's not the type to go on random flirtations. Sure, he's polite, if she keeps bugging him maybe they go out for dinner, but if she tries to go further he plays the religious-fanatic card by stating that he's waiting for marriage and subtly implying that she's a slut. (He'd drop the subtlety if he wasn't so polite to people he doesn't know well.)

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 04, 2014, 08:07:26 pm

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you're allowed to be excited about it but don't call it a robot.

There is nothing in that statement to suggest the duck isn't a robot.

Robot ducks wouldn't quack like a duck. They might quack in a manner reminiscent of a duck, but the mechanism would be different. And I highly doubt that a robo-duck would be capable of duck-like walking or appearance.

((GWG, I really respect you as a semi-anonymous entity on this forum, so please don't get offended by this friendly debate. That being said, you totally turned my argument into a strawman. A) at that moment it was your statement. I was not characterizing your argument as being all about stability, but if I can summarize what you wrote prior to that statement it reads something like this "Remuthera wrote its obvious that it is unstable. If that's obvious than why are people calling it an element." To which I responded stability wasn't a criterion. B) You skipped over the part where it behaves chemically like an element, at least from the physical chemistry perspective. I'll admit that in organic chemistry or in electrochemistry its probably a non issue. But in physical chemical experiments and modeling it is essentially an element. That was the thrust of my argument and you left it out so that you could C) take my statement of my fascination with it and reduce my argument to consist entirely of that.
Not cool))

Aa. You implied that your point countered my whole argument, which it didn't, which was my point.
Ab. It's "Remuthra".
B. It behaves chemically like an atom. Atom =/= Element, which was my point. "Element" is a classification that is meant to describe a certain set of things, described by things like proton number and valence electron count/type which simply don't apply to positronium. It simply doesn't fit. (And the "acts like an atom" argument rings hollow when you consider that it's pretty damn unstable.)
C. I was arguing against all of the argument in that post.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 04, 2014, 08:09:33 pm

Quote from: Sanure on May 04, 2014, 08:03:06 pm

"You do realize that can't have creation in you when your a void entity. Unless you're a demon or Ashley of course. Sen is reading a book.

<Right. Because if it's possible for those it's impossible for anything else. Let me remind you that, despite being neither demonic nor Ashley, I have a bit of Void in me.>

<Said void is Nuriels body. So yes, Demonic. For super intuition- Oh, you can talk. How goes the mission?>

<And yet, I am not demonic. Which was my point. And if you honestly think that just because you've never seen anything but demons and Voidwalkers being part-Void and part-Creation, no other combinations are possible, you are either insane or using a very inclusive definition of "demon".>
<And of course I can talk. As to the mission...it's going slowly. I've learned quite a bit, but it's still surprisingly peaceful.>

((Because stability isn't a determining factor in what is or is not an element?

Which wasn't a particularly significant part of my argument?

Chemists and physicists both love the strange things which exist out there, Ps tops that list, and so I'm excited about it.))

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you're allowed to be excited about it but don't call it a robot.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 04, 2014, 06:31:31 pm

Well, judging by my understanding of physics, even a dull edge provides more force than a flat plane--less surface area, more pressure. That's better for fracturing skulls, which is good on zombies--you gotta remove the head or destroy the brain, and decapitation usually leaves a zombie head. Those things are like undead landmines.

Unless the zombies that can be killed from being shot in the chest or other parts of the body.

Which is the exception rather than the rule, for zombies of the apocalyptic variety.

...Didn't I say it would be good against armor, and skulls, in specific?

Indeed. Yet, somehow, you came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be very good against xombies. For shame!

Oh, I didn't put a 'against flesh' clause for the metal rod comparison.  Well, I meant that a metal rod would be more effective against an unarmored human.  I don't think the ridge would really help to increase force against flesh and muscle- quite the opposite.

The force would be the same, assuming equal mass and deceleration. The pressure would increase, and the effectiveness may decrease depending on what you're trying to do. It would probably break bones better.

_{who wears armor nowadays...}

Brains, for one.

And that thing is not decapitating a zombie.  I mean, just look at it!  How would it go through the neck?  I could see it penetrating a inch and a half maybe, but no further.  Might snap the neck, I guess.  And if you hit the skull, I bet it would get a bit stuck, which would be really really bad if there's more than one zombie.

My point was that you could smash the brain, and that decapitation is overrated anyways.
And no, it wouldn't get stuck. How would it? The human body is composed of 80% water, not 80% glue.

Also it's massive.  Sword length.  That's not a good enclosed area weapon, which is where you would actually need a melee weapon.  What person, who had time to prepare, would attack a zombie in the open with a melee weapon?

Scale's hard to tell from the picture, but melee would also be helpful at greater-than-dagger distances.

I've got a few books specifically about injuring people, specifically one that was written by a doctor as a guide for writers about how to hurt characters and what specific damage and weapons would do.

Huh, that's a pretty useful-sounding book. What's it called?

Striking to the head (Top of the head is best, but really anywhere works. The face is kinda delicate), throat (specifically the windpipe or around the Carotid sinus), Shins (the front of the tibia is quite near the surface of the leg and has little padding from muscle or skin. It also has a big fucking nerve running straight down the front. A blow to the shin is bad news bears even if it doesn't break a bone.) hands, genitals or shoulders, specifically near the neck so you can hit the collar bone.
Blows to the arms work alright, upper legs are too muscled and padded for much, and the rip cage will protect the chest, though you may break a rib or two. The gut might cause internal bleeding and will certainly cause a lot of pain, but isn't very fatal, at least not quickly. The back is too flat for you to get a good, focused enough force to break the spine. Knee caps work, if you can manage to be that precise.
Like many blunt weapons, you're really going to be aiming for the head unless you're trying to incapacitate them first.

In the context of a zombie apocalypse, busting heads and (to a lesser extent) breaking limbs are all that matters. Seems like that would be useful for those.

Angel, Will, and Nuriel retroactively requested Pokemon!
Angel wants a Pichu. Nuriel wants a Blaziken. Will requests a Mew, and when that gets denied he'll ask for a Ditto.

Well, judging by my understanding of physics, even a dull edge provides more force than a flat plane--less surface area, more pressure. That's better for fracturing skulls, which is good on zombies--you gotta remove the head or destroy the brain, and decapitation usually leaves a zombie head. Those things are like undead landmines.