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Spoiler: OOC, mostly Meta-OOC (click to show/hide)

Will exists. He is in his hotel room.
Angel exists. She is...probably still partying with Meme, Mimi, Oozy, and Gurgle. She would be sad because Alistair never even responded to Meme's invitation.
Nuriel exists. Hell if I know where, pun intended.
Nimue exists. She's about where Tori is.

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So... I had the idea of creating a "Argue with GWG to roll" RTD-style thing.  It would involve the players getting into arguments with GWG, and then redirecting it to the AWGWGTR thread, and then the GM (me) would judge how well they were doing; Getting GWG to logically contradict himself would mean your character would roll a five, while having GWG just not answer would be a one.  Getting him to admit that you're right would mean you get fives for every turn that you quote the post where he says "You're right, I'm wrong", up until he contests it again.
I never suggested it because it's obviously far too insulting, but hey, if GWG sanctioned it...
Seems like it would have a few problems.
1. It would be kinda unbalanced. The first guy to convince me would have a massive advantage over...well...everyone.
2. Instead of a single click or roll, each action would require an extended discussion.
3. There would be a hell of a lot of 1's. Forget being insulted, I don't have time to argue with everyone in a moderately-sized RtD. At first, it might be okay, with me just arguing against things that I find interesting to debate and people who press my buttons well enough, but then everyone would be picking those topics and argh.

Applying Argument seed:
The music you like is bad, your religion is wrong, your politics are incorrect, Your favorite video game is garbage, your favorite movie is shit, your mother is funny looking, your sister is a whore and your dog licks his own balls because of his repressed homosexual tendencies.
And your chosen sports team cheats.
I like most types of music save for heavy metal, most pop, and rap (if it can be called music); I have no religion; pretty much every politician would agree with you on that one because my political thoughts are scattered across the spectrum; I don't have one; I definitely don't have one; tell her that yourself; I don't have one; and my dog is dead.
And I don't like sports.

Hah.

I'd like to have an argument, please.
...Seriously?  Haven't you people been all "Oh, arguing on the internet is silly and pointless"?  What's with the sudden change?
Somebody didn't get the reference...
http://youtu.be/kQFKtI6gn9Y
Ah, Monty Python. I wish I knew more than...three skits off the top of my head well enough to come up with a clever reply.
(Cheese Shop, that one about Spam, and Self-Defense Against Fruit. And now Argument Clinic, if it sticks around in my head. And the Quest for the Holy Grail, if you look at it as a really long Monty Python sketch.)

Anyway, it's perfectly possible to understand someone's tone through text.  Use italics, or bold your text.
Problem is, there isn't an agreed-upon standard.
And you know how that ends...

Hey, has GWG been introduced to Mafia yet?
I'm not sure whether to try.
Eh. I've considered it. It's an interesting enough game IRL.

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Alright everyone, alright TCM? GWG won this internet argument. He gets a little crown. May it forever be his mark of Cain; let no one argue pointless subjects with him lest they receive the same sevenfold.
...
Is that supposed to be a compliment, an insult, or what?
(Going in my sig regardless.)

See, I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I like GWG. Sure, he and I annoy the shit out of each other pretty regularly, but that doesn't effect me at all really.
*adds TCM to his list of frenemies, right next to Xantalos and*...um...a blank spot, I guess.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: Tribulations in Magic: Trinity of bad news
« on: April 19, 2014, 04:22:04 pm »
Lillipop?

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((Most of that was unrelated to the argument.
...Actually, I have no clue what the exact percentages are, but still.

And really, at least respond to the un-spoilered bit. And frankly...I'm starting to doubt your constant threats of closing the IC thread.))

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By the way, do the dragons breathe fire? Depending on the quantity and the forest (and how much humans practice fire suppression in the forests), that could be a good thing or a bad thing.

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Except the data is not scrambled at all and the player name is supposed to end up in the place where it does (it's just supposed to be overwritten).
1. Intentional scrambling is still scrambling.
2. Putting data in a weird place is still scrambling, even if it's a usably-sized chunk of data.

you know
maybe it's just the fact that gifs don't support as many colors as pngs, which created a one-color area in the center???
obviously ffs would use apngs because ffs cares a lot about the quality of his 2d capitalism simulator
Nope.

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Maybe the PC's will think Dak is an invulnerable, plot relevant NPC that the GM will veto all actions to kill.
I can hope, right?
As demonstrated by kj attempting to kill him, and getting the action run through?

Maybe the PC's will think Dak is an invulnerable, plot relevant NPC that the GM will veto all actions to kill.
I can hope, right?
Quote
"He's obviously a tutorial NPC. If someone didn't know how to code him to be invincible then that's their own damn fault. And who doesn't try to kill important NPCs?"
:P
Permission to post in the Players thread to refute that?

Tell him no and that we find it worrying that they what to strip us naked, also ask him what this mount and blade is and that he insults our honor by suggesting we would steal, fighting in a even battle and looting the dead yes, but steal is horrible.
+1
-1 to having Dak gather loot. That's the PCs' job. Dak's just an expositor.

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Dear Elf, since when is closing a thread a good way to get an argument to diffuse? Not only does it prevent other OOC conversation, it forces the issues and differences that caused the argument to just get stoppered up, which is a good way to get trouble somewhere down the line.

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<Hm... Does she use pink text, and is she dressed up in lolita?>
<Pink--does no one care about the fourth wall?>

"Also, there's no such thing as souls."
<*sigh* Want us to go over the evidence again?>

"Jacque why? How dare you intervene in this matter? Before your eyes, have you not seen what I said to Zhengara? Through the bracelet, have you not seen my dealings with Jemis? You are still the killer you once were, and have eluded your punishment for all the lives you took for too long. Jemis, I have bound here Jack the ripper, the most famous serial killer of the world. I leave her to your judgement."
<For Vikare's sake, ICARUS, what's your problem with her? Are you so blinded by bloodlust that you'll risk your friendships with everyone here, just for vengeance for not getting to land the last blow on Zhengara? What, did you want the gil that go to whoever kills him?>

"Normally, I'd kill you at this point. Unfortunately, I'm nominally on your side." She looks at her levelly.
"So, because I have standards, I'm not going to kill an ally. So you get a pass."
<I approve of this message.>

Tori appears to currently be in the middle of killing vampires along with Caes and Yuri. They look a bit worse for wear.
Nimue is behind them, silently helping when she can.

"Hmpf, why is everyone so unable to believe I could actually kill a god?"
<I believed it, for the record.>

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1. What is this Part Welder thing?

2. How, exactly, do you land at a specific set of coordinates, accounting for rotation, without having MechJeb's landing autopilot?

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Everyone seems onboard for the kethane refueling base, so let's get to work on that. First, we need to actually...find kethane.
We start just before the beginning of Day 55 (Day 1 was when we launched the Minmus rocket. In theory. Don't remember if it actually was.) It takes only a bit over an hour before we blunder across some kethane.


Good, good.

Now, to design the rig/shuttle/etc.


2,000 units of charge in those batteries, a universal docking claw, solar panels, lights, sixteen tons of fuel capacity, lights, and of course kethane drilling, storage, and conversion capability. And 4800 m/s of Δv.

And a note so I don't forget my action groups: 1 is toggling drills, 2 is toggling the (white) landing lights, 3 is toggling the solar panels, 4 is toggling the (green, wide-beam) docking lights, and 5 toggles arming.
The launch rocket is a bunch of orange Jumbo fuel tanks with a Mainsail and six Skippers.


"The Mainsail and the Skippers, too, will do their very best/To make this joke again, again, until its hatred you confess."

I didn't add struts, but after a brief wobbly moment all is well. The ascent is swift, but leads to the Mainsail overheating. Oops. Luckily, it stops...and not a unit too soon.


...Carp, I didn't put heat radiators on the rig. Oh well, how much waste heat can half a dozen solar panels , four drills, and a kethane conversion unit cause?

It doesn't explode until 3,000 meters. Well...um...redesign time! But first...cathartic staging.


KSP just ain't the same without the occasional disaster. Even if they were intentional.

Hm, the rig's in one piece, and nicely explosion-decoupled. I wonder if I could safely land it?

Despite my best efforts, vertical speed continues to rise.

Those bits don't have landing legs, and they're falling like twice as fast as us. Better turn on the landing lights.

The landing lights at work!

That's a negative on the landing.

The landing legs succeeded in their duty, at least.


I move up the boosters, and then toss on some struts.
The Mainsail overheats again. This time, I turned down the throttle some, to avoid kasplosions. We pass 3,000 meters without incident, though I have to occasionally throttle back a tick (I once thought that the higher atmosphere didn't diffuse heat as well, but now...who knows?).
As with many of these gimbal-reliant multi-engine lower stages, roll sets in. Thanks to computers being better at turning rockets than people, though, I don't miss my gravity turn.
I drop the boosters around 21.5 km above sea level. I throttle up, only to discover the Mainsail heating up again. I'm remembering something about orange tanks and Mainsails...carp. I need to be more vertical than not just to keep my vertical velocity from dropping without exploding my engine.

Well. This has turned out to be an interesting, if still safe, launch.


"...but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom! ...From the bonds of gravity!"

It takes a bit under four minutes from launch to when we have an orbital speed above a kilometer per second and an apoapsis outside the atmosphere. The estimated burn time for circularization (assuming we keep the Mainsail the whole way through) is a minute fifteen seconds; I get back to the rocket 42 seconds from the node. I start burning, though we're still (barely) in the atmosphere. Whoo.


Beautiful, just beautiful...what's the solar panel action key again?

There we go. Beautiful, ain't it?


The engine is very nearly exploding, so I turn down throttle some. It doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt. Probably.
And guess what happens right after I type that?


...Probably not related to the throttle drop.

I drop the (not-quite-empty...well, before hacing the bottom kasplode) fuel tanks on that suborbital trajectory and fire up the Poodle just as we pass the node. Estimated burn time: Two minutes and change. I hope we don't hit the atmosphere. Again.
Six minutes. 1:12 of burn remaining, probably. Almost two km/s already. Still suborbital. Maybe 20% of the Δv to go.
Seven minutes. We're just barely orbital (technically; we'd hit a mountain or lose orbit from atmospheric drag if we didn't burn that last 74 m/s).
We enter the atmosphere again. I keep burning, until we run out of node and the craft starts spinning. Periapsis: 62.6 kilometers. Plan: Wait until we're at apoapsis (about 119 kilometers and 19.5 minutes out, currently), then circularize.
Fourteen and a half minutes after launch, we're out of the atmosphere. Apoapsis is almost 114 kilometers and twelve minutes away. It'll be easy. 40 m/s, six seconds at apoapsis. Circular orbit.
In the end, it's not quite as circular as planned--113.5 by 110.6--but it works.


And the sun rises.

We're 5.8 degrees off Minmus's plane. At the descending node, near periapsis, we need a 224 m/s burn to get 0.1 degrees off. We still have over 4,100 m/s left, though, so we're good.
I notice something else about the burn.


Minmusrise.

No reason to wait an orbit between burns, neh?


Easy, but not idealsy.

Is it just me, or is it really easy to get a collision course with Minmus given that I'm firing from Kerbal orbit and it's only like 120-odd kilometers across. It's like hitting the northern half of Wales from the Moon, with a rocket-propelled golf ball or something.


(Remarkable how narrow the line between "crashing" and "not even a close encounter" is.)
I eventually go for a 916.4 m/s burn that leads to me crashing if I don't do something about it. And something I will do!
Trying to get the ship to line up with the node is...annoying. I should have put some reaction wheels or RCS or something on here. The batteries are full, that's no problem, but the probe's tiny reaction wheels are trying to spin a craft that's currently a bit over 37 tons. Still...it eventually works.
The burn is estimated at 2:32. I warp to two minutes ahead of time, planning to burn at T-1:16.


It might be hard to tell, but we are heading for Minmus. For a landing, and hopefully not only in the right spot but without crashing.

Burn done, let's see how far we deviated. I hit the burn amount perfectly, within a dozen centimeters, so it's all down to the timing of the acceleration. (Inevitable, really.)


...
I hate you.


At least we won't crash...
Well, we fiddle with maneuver nodes on the centimeter scale.


Wait...is that an encounter after the escape?

Clearly, a hyper-efficient Oberth-affected burn won't work. We need a farther out, less efficient but more precise burn to trim our encounter to...well...an actual encounter.
Sadly, the first burn I plan (4.5 hours out) isn't much better. Trimming will need to be very close, indeed.
I've been discovering that "no periapsis," despite common sense, does not mean "I'm about to hit the world in question". It can also mean "Screw you; you're barely in the SoI but I'll make you think you're going to hit it, so you fiddle around trying to bring the periapsis enough to not crash. And/or, it'll make it impossible to tell how to adjust your trajectory to make it closer to the target."
It's a pain. Stupid game. Eventually, I schedule a 1.9 m/s burn seven days and change out. My vessel weighs 29,153 kilograms at the moment; it has a thrust of 220 kN, and will hence accelerate at 7.55 m/s2 at full throttle, which means that at 1/3 throttle it would take...less than a second to shift. One tick is almost four seconds. So, not a huge burn.
There's a week to wait, so I spend that watching the kethane finder find kethane.


Scan scan scan...

Memo to self: Scan slower.


A little testing determines that, in this orbit, I can't warp faster than 100x if I want to avoid skipping hexes. With this knowledge, I net a more complete knowledge about the kethane deposits of Minmus. The moon's speckled with them. Still, two and a half days--even Kerbal days--at only 100x time acceleration is a bit dull.
There's one particularly large patch of kethane we've discovered...


Is it in a crater? It looks like it is. Maybe a kethane-coated meteor hit Minmus some millenia ago?

A couple other such spots pop up as well, but that was the first and (arguably) the most notable.
With the help of the Kerbal Alarm Clock, we return to the rig with three minutes to the node. Good thing, because a solid fraction of that time is needed to spin into position.
Alright. Burn done, with the indicator at 0.0 m/s and jittering between red-X and green-check. Let's see how we did.


You can't see it, but this is jittering as well.

...Good enough.
We've a day before we hit Minmal influence, so let's scan for kethane at 100x time acceleration.


Geometry: Generally agreed to be the prettiest part of math.

Two more probably-sizable deposits.


After KAC alerts us, we jump to the rig being in Minmal influence. We turn retrograde and start burning, hoping for capture. I watch the Orbit speed drop, the Escape marker shift. I get into an ugly-but-functional orbit, making us drop below the half-fuel line.


Almost landed.

Next, to lower the orbit.


Seven days out...wait, why don't I just lower the periapsis to 10,000 meters from up here?

Much better.


I could switch to the kethane scanner for the next four hours and change, but eh.
I went a bit too far, bringing the periapsis down to about 2.3 km, well low enough to smash into some of Minmus's higher mountains. Hence, I turn prograde and burn slightly until the periapsis comes around 14 km.
Now, a circularization burn.


Not shown: Jittering about. Hell if I know why.

Four days out...enough to switch spacecraft.


But not before a shot of the Kerbal system.

Another large patch of kethane is located, notable for its location.


We were so close to striking green gold!


Nice shot.


Anyways, after more scanning, we're back at the rig. 60 m/s, eight seconds, burn four out. First, turn it the right way.


A lovely scene, marred only by the weird orange solar panels and the darkness.

We're now in a 15.6/14 kilometer orbit above Minmus, roughly equatorial. Now, we need to choose a landing spot. It obviously needs to have kethane, and ideally would be near the equator, for easier rendezvous with craft in a standard equatorial orbit.
We have one tile of kethane precisely on the equator. That should do, especially given its neighbors.


Nice how things work out.

But that will be in another episode tomorrow. I've already spent ~3.5 hours on this, although admittedly a fair portion of it was waiting for time to pas at 100x time acceleration.

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... Are you serious here? I mean this is ridiculously nitpicky. Why not offer your definition of scrambling and corrupting to make it easier to it explain to you? It seems the more a person attempts to explain themselves to you the more deliberately you nitpick them.
My definition of "scrambling" is basically "the data gets moved/scattered around so it doesn't work," while "corrupting" is more like "data gets screwed with due to an error or sabotage or something". You know, like magnets near hard drives or VHS tapes.
And I only nitpick them if there's stuff to be nitpicked. I only do it ore with more explanation if the explanation gives more nitpickable stuff.

The data the game tries to read is derived from the player name. To peform the glitch, one must take the tutorial from the old man and then fly to cinnabar coast and then surf around on the coast tiles. To save memory, the player name is stored in the adress where the reference to Pokemon that can be encountered in an area can be stored. Cinnabar coast has no such data, thus the data remains unchanged when one flies there. However, it DOES have encounter tiles. This is normally not a problem, and the Pokemon from the last visited area would be used.

The player name is, I think, not read directly. It is probably used as a reference to another adress to start reading Pokemon from or so.
Again, data being moved to funny places and used seems to fit the definition of "scrambled" as much as anything.

I have never played a main series pokemon game in my life, glitches like these just fascinate
Indeed.

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The Kobold should offer his service to the players. To make up for the robbery attempt
+1 as a pack mule of course.
+1
Dak should just stand stoickly there, like a true NPC who didn't take any damage from the player's attempted attack.

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Einsteinian Roulette / Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« on: April 19, 2014, 08:55:57 am »
Directly, how?
Just a few people saying, "GWG's right on this." That's all, and if it's so, there's a good chance you're 'right', whatever that means.
...What, the fact that, objectively, we were safe opening the elevator door--which is what I was saying--isn't enough? If I was arguing that the Earth revolved around the Sun (imagine that the Internet existed several centuries ago), would general consensus by the astronomical community not be enough to let me say that I won?

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