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At the end of the day, since this is using multiple worlds. Say you travel to the past, what it actually means is that you travel to what matches your interpretation of the past which is a pointless venture since you have chosen to observe what agrees with your viewpoint.
Yes, you cannot be 100% sure of it, hence why I may argue it is the result of memory and knowledge, there's no concrete past that one may know of. Devil's Proof, this "true past" may as well be God, or the aether with no way to prove it nor any method to disprove it. Unfair, I admit but it nonetheless sustains the matter.
Not only is it unfair, it is meaningless. The exact same argument that you use to say that travel to the past is impossible, I can use to say that travel to my house is impossible. Since travel to my house is possible, your argument is invalid. Your conclusion is valid with your assumptions, but the conclusion is inconsistent with reality and is therefore untrue.

To rephrase this refutation: You're Zeno, I'm walking across the room.

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It is impossible as the GM said it is, the issue is, in regards to magic, I do not know what the precise reason is. Presumably, to record data on all particles and determine previous states is just as impossible with magic as it is without.
Things that are far less possible have been done with magic.

So it could stab someone, misfold their proteins to form prions and give them something like mad cow disease?
Seems like a lot of effort and precision needed for not much gain. And it's called Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease in humans.

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Einsteinian Roulette / Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« on: April 15, 2014, 06:47:25 pm »
((You might as well try to turn a hamburger back into a cow.))
If it flash froze, wouldn't that mean that cells wouldn't have time to be dehydrated and crystals wouldn't have time to form?
I'm a bit fuzzy on the exact conditions you need to freeze water to avoid it crystallizing, but I don't think it was fast or gentle enough.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: Thawed (Bumbling)
« on: April 15, 2014, 06:46:01 pm »
"I need [({GUNIN's} action) and ({Harry's} response)]."
I'm not sure how you interpreted that as either "I need [{GUININ's and Harry's} response]." or "I need [{GUNIN's} (action and response)]."

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((You might as well try to turn a hamburger back into a cow.))

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Yes, I know it's a cop-out, but it is still theoretically possible, though not remotely likely for weird shit to occur. Very well, I shall present a different argument. How would you know it's the past? You can only observe the area you are in, not the rest of the universe, even if you could do so, his supposed past may have a differing past to the past of your own past.
Because it looks like the past.
Except one only has an idea of what the past is, a summation of memory and knowledge. To say it looks like the past would thus be to say that it looks like what one thinks what the past was.
You can make that same argument about any location. How do I know I'm at the house I grew up in? Because it looks like the house I grew up in. How do I know I'm at the White House? It looks like the White House. How do I know I'm in Low-Earth Orbit? Because it looks like Low-Earth Orbit. And because I'm suffocating, but that's just another sense so it fits.
In other words, your argument is fundamentally meaningless. You can travel to the past, but you just can't be 100% certain of it (just like you can't be 100% certain of anything).

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Sorry, I can't really form any concrete argument since the magic here doesn't so much have any rules as much as it has vague suggestions with little to no known limitations.
And that's why you shouldn't declare anything as being impossible.

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Polar orbit scan! The good news, it should only take a very tiny probe. Except, have we gotten probe brains yet?
We sent an automated rescue vehicle to Minmus. An automated refueling ship was sent to refuel that rescue vehicle. The craft that recently burned up in the atmosphere was automated.
No. We don't.

Also, don't trust mechjeb too much, It's only human it'll make mistakes. I've made rockets that are rather unstable and require constant realignment during flight, mechjeb does a better job keeping it pointing straight than i do, BUT, MJ starts the gravity turn far too violently which always sends the ship into a spin, but if I start the gravity turn myself MJ does a good job of finishing It off.
The only thing MechJeb was doing was maintaining attitude. And manual control wasn't any better. Somehow or another, the rig was unstable. MechJeb had nothing to do with it.

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Yes, I know it's a cop-out, but it is still theoretically possible, though not remotely likely for weird shit to occur. Very well, I shall present a different argument. How would you know it's the past? You can only observe the area you are in, not the rest of the universe, even if you could do so, his supposed past may have a differing past to the past of your own past.
Because it looks like the past.
How do you know it's actually me posting, and not someone who hacked my account? You don't. Does this mean that someone hacked my account? No.

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1.) Well, the other option commonly considered is FTL, but that gets screwed over by mass dilation.
2.) Because magic is dictated by fickle beings known as the players and the GM. And the GM doesn't want time-travel backwards at all. I can't really present any meaningful arguments on that seeing as magic here involves arbitrary geometrical constructs, interest rates and sex.
1. We don't have to stick to relativity's time-dilation things, because we have magic. The question isn't if it's possible by a specific method, but if it's theoretically possible. So far, you haven't shown it to be theoretically impossible.
2. ...Well, that's a boring argument.

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Einsteinian Roulette / Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« on: April 15, 2014, 06:02:42 pm »
Maybe it's friendly.
If it is, all the more reason to not cut out of the elevator.

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Einsteinian Roulette / Re: ER: Dead Man Running: Episode 1
« on: April 15, 2014, 06:01:26 pm »
A DISEMBOWELING! Oh my, we haven't had one of those in weeks! Bravo! And look how he just keeps fighting. Look at that fatal bloodlust in his eyes! You won't see sights like this on any other television program, I can assure you of that!
"Well, that's a relief."

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((I've seen people mentioning arm cannons. Do we have those already?))
Only contestants get those.
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((Well, duh. I didn't realize we started with them.))

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for stronger uncreated, it's more or less used to aim the call you send out. For weaker entities, it literaly drags them into creation against their will, and if the summoner has enough willpower, allows for a (usualy temporary) binding to a set of rules given by the summoner.
So, it's kinda like a phone rune?

The reasoning is simply that the past is merely what a person recalls and thinks occurred, that is, it is merely perception and knowledge, there is no concrete past.
...Darn. You actually explained your point of view well there. Now I need to resort to higher physics to try and do this. And I have to hope that reversibility applies to all applicable laws of physics.

Emp, you're being dumb. Spacetime is a thing. This implies that time is quantifiable which implies that there is a concrete past in the sense of moving backwards along the time dimension. :I
Not necessarily, space-time is a thing, but it does not facilitate anything pertaining to the past. After all, it may be distorted to slow down time, but not even a blackhole reverses it.
Oh look, advanced science got involved without me.
You can't use one specific method to travel to the past. That's like saying that since you can't walk to London*, you can't get to London at all.
(For the sake of argument, assume you live outside the Brittish Isles.)
If you take all the particles in a system and simply reverse their velocities, it goes in the exact opposite direction than that it was before--ie, time effectively flows backwards. Mind, it's practically impossible to do so, but with magic, why can't you use such properties of physics to travel to the past? (Or effectively to the past, at least.)

I feel like people overuse Heisenberg on non-quantum stuff. These are macro-scale events. Sure, there's some indeterminability, but does it really matter for our purposes? :P
Depends. If you set things up right? Sure. *cough*RadioactiveIsotopeAndPoisonInABox*/cough*

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As she is a magical being she does in fact do that.
In that case, Angel kinda...pats Oozy. And wonders how hard it'll be to get Oozy ooze out of her hair.

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Goddammit.

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well, other summons are other summons, I only govern the fringe of the void. But generaly the more powerful, the bigger the sacrifices needed for a successful and safe summoning experience
I mean what is the purpose of circles for weaker summons?

I think I screwed up with the pie analogy, I probably should have said something like "travel to <insert other abstract, inaccessible concept here>" but "ravel to pie" seemed less longwinded.
Glad to hear you admit it. If you did, however, I would simply question why the past is such a concept. And, of course, for any such concept I would explain how you can, in fact, travel to specific instances.

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Hey at least his coffee gets spiked with something :P
Hm. If you spiked his coffee with caffeine, well...that could be neat.

Also, I think @GWG made will do something. What was that?
Um...I don't remember. He was looking for something.

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Einsteinian Roulette / Re: ER: Dead Man Running: Episode 1
« on: April 15, 2014, 05:13:26 pm »
(( Yeah, I'm undecided as to where OCC should be for this thread.))
((The OOC for this thread tends to be pretty closely-related to the game itself, so unless there's a specific OOC thread for it...
Or unless it wanders too much.))

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Oozy tries to sit on top of Angel's head.
If Oozy doesn't blatantly violate the Law of Conservation of Energy, Angel cries out in pain and falls over.

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