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I hate sleep. Not as much as I hate sleep deprivation, but pretty close.

Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 12:56:52 am

((What did I miss?))

((Arguing in the OOC thread. @Projeck and I are considering quitting.))

What?!?

No, you cannot fucking forcibly change an entire race. That is literally evil, not just morally ambiguous, if Vornar goes through with his plan he will be fucking Satan-fucking-Hitler-in-the-dick Evil. Just because you don't fucking like a race doesn't mean you can fucking wipe them out. Just end the stupid fucking grudge and focus on the more interesting aspects of Vornar's character, like his big brother instinct. I had hoped that bringing you back into the game would make you mature but nope, not happening I guess. Fuck, I get home from stupid teenage drama and this is what I see. Making fucking Bay 12 proud guys.

Oh...
Um, can you keep Angerus in the IC thread and Godwin-level insults in the trash-bin of your mind? Neither of those helps.

Quote from: Again_Dejavu on September 05, 2013, 11:43:51 pm

So, flavor text soon?

No, fuck. This shit on top of what happened at school today has just put me off doing any fucking writing. Of course the time when I try to run a mission is the time where all the stupid ass drama pops up at school.

Well, here's hoping your school drama turns out well. Or at least not horribly.

Ugh, I'm sorry. I really shouldn't have brought it up but using racial cleansing in a positive light just pisses me off.

Gee, I wonder why.
But look at it like this: If he only cures volunteers, it's less like racial cleansing and more like wiping out polio.
And it's probably not going to work much better than if the Nazis decided to ethnically cleanse Europe with hugs and teddy bears. Although it is likely to be less adorably confusing.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on September 05, 2013, 09:26:52 pm

Quote from: kj1225 on September 05, 2013, 09:17:02 pm

Kyle is always an option. And so is Isaac.

Or Selina and Victoria could adopt another kid.

...That means that Vornar and Nikki will technically be siblings.

And now you've ruined it.

Quote from: Projeck37 on September 05, 2013, 11:51:42 pm

And honestly.. If I see this argument in a week or so.. I might just drop TA entirely because I really really don't need this.

Agreed. Quite frankly, if this continues, I might as well leave before the inevitable fall occurs.

I'm going to stick around until the OOC arguments ruin the IC fun. I've invested in this game and hope that everyone can be mature.

If everyone leaves, so am I.

I'm highly tempted to simply ban Vornar from committing genocide as a co-GM, because frankly it is pissing everyone off, me included.

As long as it's voluntary...partial genocide...yeah, when it can be voluntary and partial it's hard to compare to genocide.

Not to bring up the topic of genocide, but this assumes the Alcris sisters won't intervene. Considering that they seem to generally control forces....yeah.

Also, assuming the other guys, which include the guy who is essentially a reality warper, a telepath, a card-slinger, etc, etc.

I believe they would fall under Point 2. Arguably alongside Selina and Victoria in Point 1.

So... a cure for say... AIDS would be voluntary? NO.

Yes, a cure for AIDS would be voluntary. If you don't want to be cured of AIDS, you won't be. Forcing and AIDS cure on someone would not be ethical, any more than forcibly vaccinating the kids of one of those nutjobs who thinks that vaccines cause autism would be, or kicking rural people out of their family house so they "get to" live in a big city.

I thought we all bloody agreed to drop the subject. Clearly not.

Obviously not Gamerlord, and I refuse to drop the subject until I've had a chance to pick it up.

Um... they're both technically transmitted by fluid contact.

So is pregnancy.

EDIT: Also, a 'cure' or 'solution' for vampirism is a focus of almost ALL fiction featuring them.

From Dracula to Twilight, I'd say that there are abundant counter-examples.
And don't get me started on the source legends. Closest thing to a cure they had was "Kill them fast!"

RAGNAROK.
I said my plan. I went offline. I came back. People had... implied things. I defended myself. THAT IS ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED.

And that much is fine.
IT GETS A BIT SILLY WHEN YOU START YELLING AT PEOPLE!!

Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 02:22:20 am

Not only that, it also sounds morally repugnant from an OOC perspective and it is chasing off players who hate it. So either drop it or keep the vampire racism to yourself.

*shakes head*
Racism implies they are a race. A plague victim is not another race.

Define "race". If you define it as narrowly as "A genetic subgroup of people," then no, they aren't, but then antisemitism isn't racism either.

A thing against vampires? I've toned this down a thousand fold. I can't change logic. I can't change common sense.

What is wrong with Nikki and Angel?
Is it that they drink blood, and if that's the problem would it be unkind to point out that they take it from volunteers and (almost) never drink it directly from the victim?
They're finding ways to make their vampirism not hurt people. They're not horrible people. They're not Ash Court.

I'm saying that vampirism is a disease. They are putting them up on a pedestal and acting like they can do no wrong.

So are you.

Quote from: ragnarok97071 on September 06, 2013, 02:34:29 am

Quote from: Gamerlord on September 06, 2013, 02:32:29 am

...IT IS NOT FUCKING ETHNIC CLEANSING. I WANT TO REMOVE THE VENOM, STOP THRALLMAKING AND REMOVE THE BLOODTHIRST. THAT IS ALL.

Vampires are an ethnic group.
You are talking about cleansing them.
it is by definition ethnic cleansing.

BWAHAHAHA.
I posted the definition of ethnic cleansing. IT IS NOT THAT.

You're right, it's not ethnic cleansing. It's more analogous to when the Europeans forced Native Americans to become Westernized.
Which was also highly immoral.

EDIT: Xantalos, that's a good idea. Especially since any vampire who declines is by definition evil.

I seem to recall saying exactly that last night...

Quote from: ragnarok97071 on September 06, 2013, 02:44:00 am

Quote from: Gamerlord on September 06, 2013, 02:42:10 am

EDITEDIT: Because, if they don't they're saying "I like drinking blood and putting people at risk!"

Or in the case of the pearl court, the only one you have actual experience with, 'The last time a blood mage fucked with my people HE MADE US A CLAN OF BLOODTHIRSTY CANNIBALS, trusting another of the fuckwits to help us is a HORRIBLE FUCKING IDEA.'

Thats... xenophobia, I think? Not sure. Something like that anyway. Wait a second. Vampires did not always drink blood?

It's more like when the Native Americans refused to believe the White Man would uphold his treaties after he kept breaking them.


And a final note to Gamerlord: Has it occurred to you that this exact same thing has happened before? Everyone was against you, including the GM, players threatening to quit, etc etc. Stop that. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if this happens a third time, Angel is not going to notice the existence of any of your characters.

<I named him Alex.>

Angel gives Kyle an "Are-You-Insane" look.

"<Are we going to sit here all day?>"

<We haven't been here five minutes and most of that time was making sure Not-Selina wouldn't drive Selina insane!>


<Um...Is Selina okay?>

Define "depressed".

And since the printing computer has worked and printed, I'm going to bed now.

Angel feels an odd feeling in her blood.

Despite frequent interruptions by a Facebook debate with someone less sleep-deprived than I and the Bay12 forums, I have completed my homeork. Once I've printed it, I'm going to sleep and will see you later this morning.

Bloody Twilight fans. Can't get away from them anywhere.

And you said you werebeing insulted...