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"Mm! Mm mks sms. Mme f m bt..." Angel bites Nikki's neck.

Maybe Cain will try to recruit us to kill Oric, and Oric doesn't want us to help Cain kill Oric or escape or whatever.

"Mh dmh tayh ammyfim..."

((Back. I know there's a lot, but if each of you could pick a couple things to react to I'd appreciate it.))

"What things would you rather not say?"

"I think he's thinking about you."

"Um, why are you smiling..?"

"'Cuz she likes Isaac! Do you like Kyle, too? Like, like like?"

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"Medea, there's a moon and numbers over your head! And I think Lyle likes you."

Kyle goes back down to the mess hall and continues reading.

"Don't eat the book! Books aren't food!"

"Wanna help me figure out Medea?"

Angel helpfully shouts to Fluffy:
"MEDEA LIVES ISAAC AND KYLE! THEY LOVE HER BACK! SO DOES LYLE!"
Other students in the mess hall notice.

"Well, there is the fact that Kyle seems to be watching the figure and making sure it doesn't make any move he doesn't want it to. And you know that the going half-Fae thing really does exist right?"

"That's doesn't make any sense!" Yes, the grammatical error is intended.

"Good idea, this is probably too intense for you."
He resumes staring into space.

"What's in tents?"

"I love her stories!"

"What're they about?"

"Oh. My. God. You're Empress of the Stars!?"

"Does she have a crown?"

"I liked the Kyle x Conny ship there. Really fluffy."

"Who's Conny and why is he on a fluffy ship with Kyle?"

Angel has an idea. "Nikki, why do you like drinking my blood?" She decides to try for herself, and promptly grabs Nikki, brings her neck up to her mouth, and starts sucking on it.

Umm, I think that its not "adding", it's the total effect. You can choose to do 1, 2 or 3 d6 each time you cast it.

And the 10 sp cost is so that we don't abuse it. It doesn't matter if it is not efficient, it can one shoot each one of our party members (ignoring the fact that proxxy is inmune to elec damage)

If that is true, then:

The first level deals an average of 3.5 damage for a cost of 2 SP, for 1.75 dmg/SP
The second level deals an average of 10.5 damage for a cost of 8? SP, for 1.32 dmg/SP
The third level deals an average of 21 damage for a cost of 18? SP, for 1.67 dmg/SP
And that's just wonky.

Table time!

"Tier"	Dice	Cost	Efficiency	Total Dice	Total Cost	total efficiency
Zap	1d6 (3.5)	2	175%	1d6 (3.5)	2	175%
More Zap	2d6 (7)	6	117%	3d6 (10.5)	8	131%
Even More Zap	3d6 (10.5)	10	105%	4d6 (14)	12	117%
More + Even More	.	.	.	6d6 (21)	18	117%

And then I get back, see this, and wonder who did the math error.
Probably me, given that I was calculating in my head, but I'm not certain.

If we can do those 6d6, then we need to get three more MSP points for Proxxy. Fast.

I still think that it is not the way it works.

Agreed on both points.

It troubles me that the third boss is already stronger than all the Siblings except Oric and the Voice already.

It also troubles me, realizing that so far we have bypassed two bosses already, and recruited them to boot. Our luck may run out.

Why assume that things will change? Don't borrow worry when what little evidence we have suggests there will be none.

Just realized an error on my table and fixed it.
I had 2d6 (7) for 6 energy at 167% efficiency, as did GWG in his write up. It's actually 117%
But 7/6 = 1.166667; we both made the same mistake of reading that as 1.66667, so it looked a lot more efficient than it was.

You can't blame me--my display is hidden inside my head.

The idea was to give these increases diminishing returns, not linear growth. Why there are diminishing returns? Because it takes less time. Imagine: if there were linear growths, what would you do: cast 1d6 3 turns in a row, or just cast 3 at the same time for the same cost as the three turns altenative?

Precisely. My complaint was that it was inconsistently diminishing returns.

3.5 for 2: 1.75 dmg/SP
7 for 6: 1.67 dmg/SP
10 for 10: 1 dmg/SP
Way less efficient than the other modes. Having it cost 9 might have been better; less of a sudden drop in efficiency.

First time: Lose around 5% of the efficiency.
Second time: Lose more like 30% of the efficiency.

What?