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I strongly suggest that we find out (without any shadow of a doubt) why that book elicited that reaction from charlie before doing anything else with it. In fact, after this dungeon crawl, I think that book should be our main focus. To start, that means this:And that's a good thing? Have you even read the Harry Potter books?QuoteAsk him why he wants to pay so much, and to see his current stock of magical items. Warn him that we likely won't be able to conduct the trade until after the crawl.
Seriously, that's a lost tome of a famous necromancer, and a pirate necromancer to boot. That thing could have MAGNIFICENT secrets. In fantasy game terms, this is like finding Blackbeard's treasure map collection with Lord Voldemort's diary written in the margin.
IDEA: What if the Warrens was an elaborate fraud by ___ the Awesome in order to sell shopkeeper wares? All adventurers come in knowing of their background, but ___ the Awesome (who will always take on the name as a backwards of the newcomer) will use his illusion magic and general trickery to make them doubt themselves, and also convince them that the Warrens is named "Warrens of (reversed adventurer name) the Awesome". Then he will begin to make them think that they are the Target, the ever-respawning of the Six Siblings. As they advance on, thinking that the android denizens of the Warrens are real people (it was actually illusion), they try to confront ____ the Awesome, and forced to expend his resources to defeat the "Siblings". Cain was ____'s co-founder, but soon he grew sickened of their cowardly ways of wheezing money, and attempted to destroy the Warrens. ___ then imprisoned him and used illusion magics to make him think he's one of the Siblings, and the poor fools who dared venture into the Warrens would meet their end at the hand of the brainwashed Cain...That seems overly complicated, both as a theory and as a business plan.
The logic is faulty. You might as well argue that because the government knows that there could be a nuclear war, nuclear wars aren't anything to worry about.See: "my base point which is that it's not likely to break the cycles." If it's likely to have been anticipated by whoever set the cycles up, it's not likely to be something that causes the system to collapse.Yes, and...?That was my point.Ok, to clarify here, when I say "predictable" I mean "it can be easily predicted that it is likely to happen in some cycles" not "you can easily predict it will happen every cycle."
Maybe both.Ok, I'm going to have to go back and re-read this conversation, because one of us has gone completely off-track here.Change.It's important to Oric, and Oric is in control of a lot. Oric will use that control to make sure things are the ways he wants it to be, which if the last cycles ended as badly for the Target as it seems from the fact that he started in power and Ciro didn't, are how the last cycle (and maybe the cycles before them) ended--with the Target losing and Oric on top.Agreed, but that's not really important to my base point which is that it's not likely to break the cycles.
Though, it might change them significantly. I wonder, does Oric want the Target dead because the Target is the one who can replace him?
Precisely.
That's what this is about (I think)--ways that this is different from previous cycles.
I don't remember either of those, although for the former I'll concede that I wasn't paying that much attention at the time.Off the top of my head, the room/door arrangement changed, as did the flooring in some areas.Tell me, what major modifications are there? The drained pools? That's about all I noticed.Or...they were designed by a crazy guy. Or they could be remodeled slowly on a large scale. Or there was a magma pit in the original designs.Except that that's contradicted by DL2.
I...might see what you mean.They're part of it, certainly. When I said that the system got taken out, I meant stuff like whatever is circulating the air. With that down, the Greens can't keep up.What if...Then why did the Warrens system care how much oxygen was left in the Greens? They're part of the Underside.... That's the point. The Underside's life support system got taken out, so it had to fall back on the Greens.
...the Greens are the Life Support system?
...True. Still, as a human he wouldn't be much of a threat.Same way it helped with Riltia.Yeah, even if we return him to human form I don't see him just overlooking Al throwing him into a pit of acid for the hell of it.
Especially not considering Al was the one to push him into the Warrens in the first place.
Oh wait,...... Maybe the Super Bright Light coming from the sky that needs power.... Because Plants need light....That was my thought, actually.
Yes, and...?That was my point.Ok, to clarify here, when I say "predictable" I mean "it can be easily predicted that it is likely to happen in some cycles" not "you can easily predict it will happen every cycle."
Change.It's important to Oric, and Oric is in control of a lot. Oric will use that control to make sure things are the ways he wants it to be, which if the last cycles ended as badly for the Target as it seems from the fact that he started in power and Ciro didn't, are how the last cycle (and maybe the cycles before them) ended--with the Target losing and Oric on top.Agreed, but that's not really important to my base point which is that it's not likely to break the cycles.
Though, it might change them significantly. I wonder, does Oric want the Target dead because the Target is the one who can replace him?
Tell me, what major modifications are there? The drained pools? That's about all I noticed.Except that that's contradicted by DL2.I'm not saying that the dungeons must be autorepair, I'm saying that they can be quickly and easily remodelled on a very large scale. Whether that was done by Oric, Proxxy, the Angels, the Dungeon itself, or someone else entirely doesn't really matter.Or...they were designed by a crazy guy. Or they could be remodeled slowly on a large scale. Or there was a magma pit in the original designs.
What if...... That's the point. The Underside's life support system got taken out, so it had to fall back on the Greens.Then why did the Warrens system care how much oxygen was left in the Greens? They're part of the Underside.the Greens, which seem to be a life-support system, are in the Underside. That would evidently spell doom for the entire complex within hours.Remember how I said the Underside may well not be an original part of the Warrens? If they did get added on, they would need their own life support.
Same way it helped with Riltia.Not sure how Oversoul is going to help us get him to overlook the guy that murdered him for no good reason, unless we want to go the mindrape route.That depends on whether we have Al with us.Or if we're in Oversoul.
Typically. There weren't any that needed to be chosen.So, is this the second half of Spring now, or does it go straight into Fall?It goes into Fall, doesn't it? Aren't retreats automated?
