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Name our religious land vehicle 'Westboro Baptist'

This. Name all of the religious vehicles after controversial or outright jackasserific (new word there) religious movements and individuals.
Name the economic vehicles in economically-themed whatevers.
Religious vehicles should look like tentacular horrors, economic like hotrods.
Buildings must be bakery-themed.

Yes

YES. ALL OF MY YES.
The entertainment complex, however, must look very tentacular. Veeeeery tentacular. If you know what I mean.

ALL THE YES HAS BEEN GIVEN.

Sounds like a plan. I'll see if I can give a building tentacles.

I demand we name something after Ex-President Richard Nixon.

Hm...
How about we name the City Hall "Washington," the factories "Roosevelt," the houses "Lincoln" (unless they're divided, of course), and the entertainment buildings "Nixon"?

We really SUCK as a father.
1. Taking our kid on adventures. Like, dangerous dungeon crawls.
2. Not realizing quickly she wasn't responsive. She was just smiling...creepy implications there if you overshink it.
3. STABBING HER IN THE NECK. (Next time, if someone suggests doing something with the "flat side" of our sword, please remind us that it's a double-edged sword.)

No looting corpse. Take corpse out of dungeon for burial.

Fair enough, though worst case we've established that Al can't have been down here for longer than 8-9 years; if he came in after Cherish, he couldn't well do that before she was born.

...Where was it said that Al came in after Cherish?

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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on June 04, 2013, 08:38:29 pm

Remind me, what happened a fraction of a turn before we died?
We switched the perspective to Al.
I'm not sure what this did, in-character; maybe it let some of Ciro's vital essence seep inside Al to keep his spirit tethered to the world and stop it from reincarnating?

I'm really thinking that this is the thing we did different from every previous cycle. The branching point from which all other discrepancies arise.

Why do I keep feeling like pointing out that these things seem obvious?
Of course, depending on how long the Cycles have been going on...

Well, yes, to an extent I'm just restating what everyone else has already concluded. In part I do it because it's worth remembering what our base assumptions are for other theories (in case new information breaks them and everything resting on them,) and in part because if we want this cycle to turn out different than the previous cycles, we should probably pay close attention to what makes this cycle unique. At this point, that means the recruitment of Al (who seems to be a wildcard in the broader context of the Warrens) and all the consequences of what happened in Chapter 2.

True.
Although I imagine knowledge of how it USUALLY works won't be much good or very accurate, given how chaos theory says that the smallest of changes have bigger effects as they bounce around and snowball.

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Here's a question- when Riltia fell in the acid, Oric/Betweenford went all Deus Ex Machina to keep her alive in order to perpetuate the cycle. So why didn't they act when Ciro died before that? Were they unable (as he possessed his own Soul Star) or unwilling (they really do want him dead-dead) or were they trying but just offscreen? That whole bomb in the mailbox really could have been intended solely to get Al and Ciro's body out of Underside and into the Greens, where he could be revived. Implying they don't know about Al and his vampire revival that was already going to happen.

Or maybe there was something in the acid that acted as a catalyst, causing the mutation or letting it happen?
Did any other non-Illborn fall in? Maybe we should toss Milli's corpse in the acid pool (when our lives aren't currently in much peril and we feel like remedying that while performing science)?

Part of my is against desecrating the dead, but mostly we can't do it because we don't have Mili's corpse anymore.

What happened to it?

Wilford fell in. On the one hand, his method of entry was the same as Al's, which might have protected him from becoming an Illborn. On the other hand, we know Al gets attacked all the time because he isn't Illborn, and Wilford didn't have that problem. Either his Soul Charge is too low to matter, or he's Illborn.

My head hurts. Figuratively. So, it doesn't hurt at all.
I also forgot that Wilford fell in. Alright, one less bit of potentially-lethal-or-omnicidal science to do.

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I'm really thinking that this is the thing we did different from every previous cycle. The branching point from which all other discrepancies arise.

Could that be the case, though? It's not like we knew what we were doing with that thing, and we would probably have had it pretty often in these cycles, right? I guess this cycle or that occurence could be strange, not unique, but it seems strange that this would have been the very first time ever we pressed the shiny star and ended up as someone else.

Here's the thing, how likely would we have been to try if we didn't recruit Al into the Active Party to begin with? We don't even know if we can switch perspective to somebody not in the party (though it seems likely, given how many time FFS prompted us about "do you really want to bash Betweenford with the Astral Influx?") More importantly, though, I think the defining split is that A) We died right after switching characters and B) The character we switched to was Al, who has so much frustration and resentment penned up from his time in the Warrens he went and killed Riltia and Wilford. Switching to Al was where it started, but everything that happened after that is what escalated the situation.

The changes caused changes when they hit unchanged things, the changed changes caused more changes, and it all just got worse from there. Or at least differenter.

The one that was about as useful as a flea that carried our stuff and took hits for us. Rather cute though.

You left out how he wasted SP during combat on pretty lights which weren't being used to set enemies on fire.

Next time we go Oversoul, we could use it to revive Slog, obviously!

AFTER making the time-travel thingy.

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Re: "Hitting Betweenford on the Head":
That could have had a lot of effects, from angering Betweenford ("Did you just hit me with your Soul Star?" "My what?") to destroying the Astral Influx ("Everyone knows Soul Stars are fragile!" "What are fragile?").

Re: "Changes":
How about when Al brought us back to life? Or Riltia turning into an Illborn? Or recruiting an upper minion of a Sibling? Or Yaos?...
And when the people in charge are noting anomalies, something weird is going on...

Re: "RIlltia":
To figure out why she was as monstrous as she is would probably require us understanding why she became an Illborn at all.
If it was a deliberate act, the intent was presumably to allow RIlltia to escape the pool of acid.

Alright, I think I covered a couple Special Abilities for each character. I'd like a bit of understanding on how the game will work before I get into too much detail. d20, d30, RtD, no specific system? Hit points, DF-like wounds, varies by arena? What?

Here's on to support the Greens' being a Life Support!

For when the bomb went off!

Something to note supporting my pet "space station or something" theory:
A spacecraft intended for indefinite use would need plants, not just for food but for oxygen, to breathe.
Ta-dah. We have the Greens, the only place we've seen plants, being used to gauge how much time is left before we run out of precious O₂.

Oh wow. I missed something obvious. Oric has an eyepatch.

Oric wants Ciro dead because Ciro stabbed/shot/did something to Oric's eye to make it non-functional/gone.

The Moby Dick explanation.

Or Oric got an eye patch because he wants to look mysterious?
It certainly fits in with his villainy-known-induced scowl. He's a villain and proud of it.

Also, Yaos throws a monkey wrench in the whole It's All In Your Head theory.  Breaking into someone's head is rather difficult.  (Except, you know, literally.)

A few possibilities.
1. Obviously enough, Yaos was simply another element of the hallucination.
2. Yaos can dreamwalk or is otherwise telepathic.
3. It's not in one guy's head, it's passed from head to head as time passes...which could "explain" the art shifts.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on June 04, 2013, 09:46:18 pm

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I: The Apprentice
Origin: Dungeon Defenders
Role:
Abilities:


II: Wander
Origin: Shadow of the Colossus
Role: Protagonist
Abilities:


III: The Engineer
Origin: Team Fortress II
Role: Support
Abilities:

A team tossed together by fate or fortune, and stuck together because they actually work together well.

In progress!

I had a feeling you would be the first to post, though I was thinking you would have a dragon in your team.

Maybe one will replace the Engie.

((Not to dull the mood, but I think it was Un'Girlan, and you'll have to make a works first before you create anything. Void is all there is for now.))

((I'm assuming that there will be something, however. If not, there's not much I can do. I'm not the God of Rocks.))

I'd like to note that having the World be inside the Devourer would be pretty neat.