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I also vote for honesty, but we omit Owen's rivalry. We're honest without filling in that detail. Give me that, guys. You can tell later if necessary.

I'm game for this compromise.

As for this character and his motivations, well, he's pulled off some real whoppers, and he's in the middle of forging a claim... He values honesty so highly that he uses it sparingly and with great economy.

The way I see it is that he uses honesty when he can and lies when he can't. After all, there is no value in honesty except in others knowing he uses it.
But to each their own interpretation.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on April 21, 2013, 01:15:59 am

Again, this could as easily be a test of honesty as trying to figure out what our motives are. Do you want to fail this test just because you didn't want to trust the truth to the leader of what will be "our" army?

What a childish thing to ride this far for.

It's not the only thing he's riding this far for. He's also trying to secure an alliance, and is just judging how far he can trust us.
Unless he's actually been sent by Owen to try and sabotage any rebellion we have or something. That's also possible.

If he were interested in honesty like an ignorant country rube without important interests to maintain, he'd be back in curbiston with the lord who honestly is more legitimate. Ain't no honest people in this room. The fact we're here is dishonest, and the fact he's here is that he wishes to hear something other than our petty personal truths.

It only means he's here for something other than hearing them. Whether the other stuff is stuff he wants to hear us say or stuff he wants us to do.

Basically, when we gave Arthur the line about duty,

Forgot that bit. Whoops.
...Coulda sworn we also told him the truth.


Anyways, officially changing my vote to...*checks options* B.

((Mission accomplished, then. I was trying to get you to see how neat I see it as.))

Despite real life conspiring to impede me, firearms are up! Not a wide variety, but there's not a wide variety in the basic Shadowrun weapons.

Take his eye as a trophy.

-1

Head to Town.

What do you put the Prioritizes on? I think I got it, but could you clear it up?

You seem to have gotten that right. Might I ask what the confusion was?

I think that's correct... What pistols are available to me, and what kinds of bionics?
Do we get a freebie bionic? I'm not familiar with Shadowrun, but it looks cool.

Um...I did forget weapons. Ayup. Don't post new threads until you've read over them with a nice, unaddled mind, kiddies.
And as for bionics...well, at the moment basically simple stuff like cybereyes and -limbs is available, pretty much as decoration.

(Can I modify a flamethrower here later?)

No. It's against the rules for a theoretically nonlethal game.

Yay! I'm done now! We're allowed one free cyberware, right?

You can have as much cyber as you like, as long as it's not overboard. Not cyber that affects your abilities, though, just fluff. You need to actually spend the Attribute point to have cyberlegs that boost Agility, for instance.

Though I can't help but wonder what happens if your Race Priority is B, considering that the OP has zero data on such an occurrence.

You're a human, but one who wasted Priority B.

I should be updating the OP soon enough with rules info on all the neat toys you can play with. I'll also add the characters who haven't misunderstood what I intended (everyone but Cheesecake).

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on April 21, 2013, 12:49:05 am

"If you trust someone to be your friend you can probably trust him with the truth."

Good point. Let's tell Percival our real reasons, and give Uriel a plausible story for now. Friendship is not on the table just yet. Let's try to convince him this is duty alone first. There is no reason to open with a full and frank disclosure of our dirt.

Well, just trusting Uriel with the army is pretty trusting. Why can't we trust him with the truth?

Quote from: Gervassen on April 21, 2013, 12:46:58 am

How do you know what he wants? That's the biggest one.

For one thing, he came to us. That indicates that something is burning in him enough to put him in action and ride two days to our town. He's here for his own reasons, not to ask idle questions and listen to ours, but he doesn't want to stick his neck out first. We give him plausible good-sounding stuff, spiced with knightly honour, remind him of our shared battle service. We're going to be there by his side, same as we were at Torchester.

It's also possible that he's trying to recruit us, for his own reasons, but that he doesn't just want his own reasons reflected back. If he does, great, but if not, he's not going to turn down a chance to achieve his goals, is he?

Another, the wording. It's not accusatory, he wonders rather than asserts, and seeks reassurance that we're willing to stake ourselves out in the open, if he moves. "Are you willing to risk your life for this boy?" is not "Confess everything since nursery school, you rogue, and mind that I have the advantage of you!" as some people seem to have misread.

Again, this could as easily be a test of honesty as trying to figure out what our motives are. Do you want to fail this test just because you didn't want to trust the truth to the leader of what will be "our" army?

Although, I love the paean to honesty given the context that everything we're about to gain is predicated on lies. That's in line with the real world, too. Lies get you farther than truth. Truth is what you encourage rivals to tell.

It's the conjunction of two philosophies: "Tell the truth when you can and lie when you can't" and "If you trust someone to be your friend you can probably trust him with the truth."
Lies can get you far, but they'll take you back if/when they're discovered. Not to mention that telling the truth gets you far as far as PR and such goes.

Quote from: Nicholas1024 on April 21, 2013, 12:03:31 am

you're correct in that loyalty to his son isn't my only motivation.

How can he be correct, when he hasn't even made that assertion yet? Where did he say we had other motivations? He merely seeks reassurance rather than outright challenging us.
He doesn't even want the real truth. He wants his reasons bolstered by our reasons. People here are giving up our real position for a song. There's no reason to do this, unless we think we're losing him with other angles. The truth is always the last option, of course, but let's keep it back there in the queue where it belongs, not out in front on our sleeves like we're a wide-eyed rube and a gull.
If we ever make it to the King's Court, I give us ten seconds before the lying piranhas there have cleaned our bones.

You're making assumptions a lot here...ironic, given that the first sentence is criticising Nick for just that.
How do you know what he wants? That's the biggest one.