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The difficulty of putting him in public however is that he bears a family resemblance to the count, a fact which likely would not go unnoticed by Owen if he's aware what we're up to. It's a good plan to keep him in Feroshire but I'm apprehensive of letting people see him for fear they might suspect. Probably an unwarranted fear, but Sir Owen doesn't seem like one to take situations delicately and may jump to conclusions at the slightest provocation or suspicion.  I'd imagine he'd be terrified of a claimant considering his own tenuous claim and would take any action to prevent one from popping up.

Hm...true. We'll need to identify what makes the resemblance and see if some medieval makeup* can't fix it.

*By which I mean the medieval equivalent of makeup.

"Well, now that you mention it.... how would you like to enter a Trade Agreement? You supply me resources, and in return, I give you my products?"

That would depend on the resources requested and the products received. Ah, one moment...

In the Gold Wyrm's office, a screen lit up with the face of Alkus on it. Is this activated? Yes it is. Good.
Greetings, honored elder; I presume it is you who contacted me? I am Alkus, recently appointed Head of Foreign Policy for the state of Kybore.

Greetings, Alkus. I was just finishing up details with Xaren. Could you give me a moment, please?

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Oh, I suppose you two wish to chat a bit? Very well.

...I'm certain they are. I hope you'll excuse my disinterest in this topic; it's mostly from ignorance. When I was a wyrmling, iron was considered the pinnacle of...but here I am, rambling. Well, I imagine we'll be in touch. Just remember--make sure the humans under you see you as better than anarchy. Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?

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Quote from: ragnarok97071 on April 17, 2013, 09:43:16 pm

Actually, just one of the ones that work for him.

An important one.

One that will definitely be noticed.

Which will scare him.

Which is a good thing.

...Oh.
Oh my.

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As for the laws thing: Both, really. If there's a way around it, then self-teaching AI's WILL find a way to break it eventually.

Ayup.

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So the only choices you really have is either to stick with dumb AI or treat them as full citizens.

Really--oppression of a minority is a bad idea? Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Well.
Now that you put it that way.
Dude! you should totally make them like that!
I definitely won't abuse the fact that they'll eventually grow to despise your rule to turn them against you! ^___^

Yes, the dragon who's championing human rights will DEFINITELY be interested in enslaving sentient AI's.

Well, really, how can you be sure that essentially enslaving them like that won't cause them to become resentful?

We have evidence that won't be the case. *Holds up a mirror so it reflects ragnarok's character's image*

Also, to be honest, if she starts getting word of the groups that ARE accepting and generally equal (She still won't like there being a ruling class of dragons) she won't want to kill those ones as much. Maybe.

I can only hope. It would be a shame to have to kill you.

Actually, just one of the ones that work for him.

An important one.

One that will definitely be noticed.

Which will scare him.

Which is a good thing.

...Oh.
Oh my.

As for the laws thing: Both, really. If there's a way around it, then self-teaching AI's WILL find a way to break it eventually.

Ayup.

So the only choices you really have is either to stick with dumb AI or treat them as full citizens.

Really--oppression of a minority is a bad idea? Thank you, Captain Obvious.

not just a dragon.

If you read my app, you would know that they've been doing this for a while. and have gotten damn good at it. True, this might say more about how big of lazy bastards the Russian dragons are than how awesome they are, but still.

I didn't notice anything that makes the emissary more than a random dragon you have a chance to murder. Did I miss something?

And to be fair, she's kinda a bit insane from the whole having her parents burned to death and/or eaten in front of her thing. I mean, really, if you're an impressionable young lass, and some big fuck-off lizard comes, eats your parents, and declares you his slave, you would REALLY want to kill him. And probably make him suffer.

I'm not a big advocate of the insanity defense except as a way to properly get the crook treated.

So her main goal at the moment is to kill the Czar dragon guy. Because he killed her parents. And that's kinda a big deal.

...Oh, I see now. The dragon you're planning to kill is the one who killed your parents!

Agreed, GWG. My guy only went with it because he believed it would make t easier to protect humans. I'm also going to be doing the I, Robot approach to AI. Three Laws Safe and all that.

Goody goody.

Quote from: Fr0stByt3 on April 17, 2013, 09:31:18 pm

Agreed, GWG. My guy only went with it because he believed it would make t easier to protect humans. I'm also going to be doing the I, Robot approach to AI. Three Laws Safe and all that.

Didn't I, Robot demonstrate that the Three Laws are basically useless?

Which, the book (where, IIRC--having never read it--the problem started when a virus carrying a bit of programming relaxing the First Law in medical robots so they could operate infected the rest of the robots infected the rest of the robots), or the movie (which could be averted by including a copy of 1984 in relevant AI's memories and some programming indicating it as a bad thing)?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on April 17, 2013, 08:20:29 pm

I'd like to bring your attention to the fact that she is suggesting killing a draconic "emmisary" just because he's there.

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Okay, let me put it to you bluntly.
Her entire family was murdered and she was enslaved by dragons. So were the rest of the humans that didn't die. SHE HAS DAMN GOOD REASON TO WANT EVERY ONE OF YOU SCALY, OVERGROWN LIZARD BASTARDS DEAD.
No hate for dragons personally, I love them, just pointing out that she has good reason to have gone genocidal. You all seem to think that she did it for no reason. they enslaved every human on earth. If they DIDN'T think that this was going to piss off a few of them to the point that they want to kill all sons of bitches, they're a bit stupider than I give them credit for.

If you'll notice, my character wasn't exactly in favor of all that.

Anyways, you'll also need to bear in mind that, until your character starts handing out copies of her autobiography to dragons on the street, she'll just be seen as a person who murdered a dragon for no reason. (The truth isn't a lot better, from the point of anyone who isn't genocidal towards dragons.)

How are you even using a computer though? Theater-sized screen & keyboard? Perhaps made by Ancestor Technologies? *shameless self advertisement*

Gold dragons can also transform into human forms.

Oh, I may want to mention this, in order to keep constructions...feasable, I am going to have dragons be at a 20-30 feet in height maximum.  This will be up for debate.

That's fine. I'd imagine the really old dragons would be bigger, but there's not a lot of those left. The only one that comes to mind has that covered.