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That explains that. I thought your avatar's hosting site had an issue or something.

A and D: We're talking about land INSIDE our city. Our land is rather larger than 12 football fields...

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that we can ignore the fish and they'll flourish. However,

I'm seeing a lot of peasants around the area who have kind of a crap life. As long as we give them work and/or a living, they will flock to us.

Besides, in historical medieval times, labor tended to be  cheap and abundant.

So...

We are a blue-eyed, long-straight-brown-haired, rather short, drop-dead-gorgeous, 23-year-old woman of an ethnicity which resembles Indians who really need to get more sun?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on March 28, 2013, 10:30:14 am

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and we live on a riverside that is not walled.

Oh, yes, because we will always be in control of the river, and of course said river has the same icthic density as a manmade fish farm.

I could respond with equal sarcasm, but I'm tired of that. You won't get "icthic density" of a modern fish farm unless you have modern feed and filtration systems.

By your logic, raising cattle rather than hunting aurochs or whatever in the wilderness is stupid, because you won't get the bovine density of modern cattle farms.

Your belief that this would be viable for more than a few days of siege don't pass simple back-of-the-envelope calculations.

Firstly, even if it only gives us a few days...it gives us a few days.
Second, do the words "greater surplus of food production" mean anything to you?

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That's two points you concede on and three (3, 4, 7) which you seem to have ignored. You could also argue that you ignored 6, because you failed to realize that I was talking about the future.

I was conceding a few points to keep a good tone to the argument, but you seem to have abused my intentions.
I don't line-by-line and pick out every point. If you make an effort, you'll see your basic assumptions on "icthic density" were shattered, and your unaddressed points all fail. Don't tell me that I have to respond to every point, or it defaults to agreement. That's grossly unfair. It's not an efficient food source. Period.

Firstly, my poi t of making those arguments was that there are many reasons to do so. If you concede or ignore more than half of my points, you can hardly claim to be being thorough.
Secondly, I'm not claiming this will be an awesome gamechanger. I'm saying it would help. You don't need to pull out your calculator to realize that farm+fish>farm...you just need basic algebra knowledge. Now, if I was claiming that we should abandon agriculture for aquaculture you'd have quite a point, but...I'm not.

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Quote from: Truean on March 28, 2013, 10:10:43 am

The only thing about farming fish is that it isn't actually that easy. Especially if you have large populations of fish. They will use up all the oxygen in the water or get disease, or something like that. I think we do need an expert or something.

Yeah, finding someone who knows a bit about aquaculture would be a good first step.

Yeah, someone who knows a bit about modern aquaculture, and filtration systems pumped by electric engines. Could just build fighter aircraft with the same knowledge. 

Perhaps "aquaculture" is being misused. I meant any large-scale kind of fish raising, not specifically modern techniques.


Dear everyone, stop assuming people are referring to anachronisms when chronisms are just as possible.

It's not realistic that you'd feed 300 people from a fish pond for more than one day. I ran the calculations, and you'd need half a football field to supply people the way you're talking here, with sieges and so forth. And that's using a modern formula for fish ponds that are fed and aerated externally. Salt beef in a small cellar stretches much further, if giving people in a siege some protein is the goal.

It would help, and be cheaper than importing salted beef (and would turn a profit).

There's been no mention of food shortages,

Aren't we trying to attract more people? Don't more people need more food?

our four-field farming system is not a single crop of potatoes,

It is, however, a single field. Not exactly, but if something happens to the fields, we lose our food supply. Anyways, diversity always helps.

and we live on a riverside that is not walled.

Oh, yes, because we will always be in control of the river, and of course said river has the same icthic density as a manmade fish farm.

And to be clear here, aesthetic value and firefighting are decent reasons for a few small ponds, but let's not pretend that those ponds would be significant food sources.

That's two points you concede on and three (3, 4, 7) which you seem to have ignored. You could also argue that you ignored 6, because you failed to realize that I was talking about the future.

The only thing about farming fish is that it isn't actually that easy. Especially if you have large populations of fish. They will use up all the oxygen in the water or get disease, or something like that. I think we do need an expert or something, because I don't think I could just dig a pond and raise fish very well without any knowledge base for this. Just a thought.

Yeah, finding someone who knows a bit about aquaculture would be a good first step.
 

Also I like the idea of expanding our armed forces. We don't want to be unprepared should somebody raid us like they raided the duke. Granted, he has different circumstances than we do but still....

Different circumstances like being right on the ocean and having more than a few hundred citizens?

I'm seeing a lot of peasants around the area who have kind of a crap life. As long as we give them work and/or a living, they will flock to us.

Agreed.

envelop organism

Ask who rules Hell.

A demon who has taken the creative title of Hellmaster.

Look for an after life to rule.

[2] None are hiring. Stupid economy.

Get that one lich guy from RTRTD to fix my leg.

Strangely enough, that doesn't work as well as it would in Roll to Roll to Dodge.

Respawn as a lawyer.

[6] You are Phoenix Wright, ace attorney!

Wait for bureaucracy to come into effect

[5-2] You are able to compete for the position. Competition: Do something with the nothingness to make purgatory purgatory.

Huh. I need to change my tactics.

Start harvesting from my farm any fungus that could pass as wood. Then use this fungiwood to create a bed.

[2-1] You trample the larger bits.