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Why don't we just test their level of intelligence, if they are not capable we will raise it. Then offer them a job in tunnels by retrieving ingots and bring them to the surface. For exchange for their labor we give them food and a place to rest.Agreed, so long as we do not modify their minds to make them more subservient to us somehow.
I MUST update tonight! MUST! NOT! RUIN! PERFECT! RECORD!
Prevent the Shonens from appearingSeeing as they'll've retroactively spawned, I'll interpret this as "Kill the Shonens". (Japanese plurals are typically the same as the singular. Katana, katana; Samurai, samurai; Etc.)
Am at sufficient size
Summon my OP'ed self, who can only be summoned by a sufficiently large portal.
Commence with the eating people.
Stop Xantalos from summoning his stronger form.[3-1-1] No such luck. You do manage to drain yourself into yourself, causing you to die.
Cause Gm to remember my +4 bonus, therefore I am not dead, then kill Hitler[1] Nope! In fact, you have a -1 Malus now! [1-1v2] Hitler notices someone spontaneously blow up next to him! You reform.
Respawn with master ball. Catch gyrados.[2] No Master Ball. [3v5+2] You must be in Soviet Russia, because Gyarados captures you! With his mouth.
Attempt to establish a business. If someone attacks me, pour the vial on them and corrupt them with the insanity of YAFB-I.[6] You start a business, causing you to lose all your money, possessions, clothing, and unneeded organs.
Get autographs of all dark lords.[2] They're not interested in signing autographs. [4+1] You get 250 Hatlings.
Summon HatArmy
Catch Gyarados with a pokeball.[3+2] You grab a Pokeball and catch Gyarados!
IT'S LIME. NO...PISTACHIO. NO. WASABI? YEAH, WASABI. JUMP IN AFTER BLAD MAID, BRANDISHING A MEDKIT AND MY HAMMERSPACE BAG. PATCH UP GWG ON THE WAY DOWN. AVOID PUSHING BLADE MAID INTO THE WASABI GOO.If I notice this despite the indigestion, thank Greenstar. Try not to incinerate him.
I already explained that last post.WORDS.First, I'm going to address the math:
Income is what you get at the end of the day, this is gross minus upkeep costs. Dig it?
Now, we know that Troglodytes have weaker souls, and therefor produce less mana. Dig it?
So, if the Empire were to grasp their population by the balls, and then destroy their free will, to, say, the level of a Troglodyte, then everyone in their empire would only produce as much mana as a Troglodyte. And because that amount of mana is less than a free-willed human's, they would be destroying their income. You understand? This would make population control easier, but ruin them otherwise.
The reason this wouldn't have a blowback on us, is because we wouldn't be doing this to our humans(recall; at no point did I talk about doing anything but making fully-willed ubermensch humans), we'd be adding in creatures which have already had their free will destroyed(not by us; we're merely installing a new 'boss'). So what it'd do for us is bolster our income. And we would have an easily controlled secondary population. With the first still producing everything we need. Lobotomizing our human population would slash our mana income, make no mistake.
Emphasis mine...new-mine...to emphasize the important part.QuoteAs for slashing incomes. Come on, you really didn't do the math? 10+.5 equals 10.5, not 5. Whereas 10/2 equals 5. The Empire would be slashing their income by removing free will from beings that already have it. Instead of bolstering their mana income with new, half soul creatures(something they're unlikely to do, order and whatnot). So, what would it do to us? Give us more mana.I can't believe this. You keep wavering back and forth. I have no idea what you're trying to say. Somehow it would cost the Empire tons more to make their people love serving them and hard labor than it would to make our trogs do the same thing? Unless you somehow interpreted me as asking why the Empire didn't turn their peoples' souls into troglodyte-level ones, in which case I would advise you to actually read what I post.
I was asking why it would cost more for the Empire to perform the exact same mental modifications to people as you propose to do to the troglodytes.
The Troglodytes may have free will, but they lack any way to express it. The lights are on, but only the 9 year old kid is home. And he's rabid.Baseless assumptions.
You know what? Why not judge their potential? Someone set up an obstacle course and aptitude test. That is not a joke. But until we have the information to judge them properly, we'll have to assume they're not very capable at doing anything other than surviving in their native area.Or, we could not make any baseless assumptions AT ALL. And if we must, err on the side of intelligence, for safety and such.
Further, I suggested we make then enjoy working for us in that quote you grabbed. Serving us. Whether that's filling out forms, working the fields, or holding a pike formation together. The creatures would still be able to rise in station. Just because they enjoy serving us, does not mean they are all the same. One might be able to do troop movements in his head, and the other might be able to harvest a field of wheat in ten minutes. We can allocate them properly. Neither does this mean they are entirely without free will. They'd still have their souls, along with the ultimate job satisfaction.It's kinda even worse that we're forcing them to serve us by holding a leash on their happiness.
What we gain by creating them is obvious; loyal citizens.We have those. We can do the same to the troglodytes.
We are not abandoning the moral highground in its entirety by making them, we would've lost it when we made the stems.The Stems are soulless.
They still have the same amount of free will they would've had when we found them, too. I ask a counter question: what do the Troglodytes have to lose by being transformed? They're missing a chunk of their free will, which we're planning on replacing with devotion anyway. They get food, shelter. Safety. And all we're asking in return is that they work for us, with the benefit of enjoying their jobs.Simple. They might not lose their free will technically, but it's comparable to saying that you are free to leave Camp Green Lake at any time. (If you've never read or heard of Holes, Camp Green Lake is set in the middle of a desert.)
Yep, and it involves me just forcing my way through everythingDo you have fire immunity and DR, among other things? Then let me handle being the Backup Trapfinder.
No it's okay, it's just that your post implied that you were actually aware that they were having trouble. Which, given the distance involved, would at least require a listen check. Going after them because they might need help is fine and makes sense.Also, I imagined that once I got there, I paused before intervening and trying to help.
"By Bardiun's Beard, your stupidity knows no bounds, doesn't it? You call yourself a scout. You can't simply blast through everything, you flying bastards!""When did I call myself a scout?
one moment, did anyone ACTUALLY go back and warn the rest about the hallway trap?(I know someone said to, but did anyone actually do it?)I assumed that they had.
No. GWG just pretended like he actually noticed something.Well, SORRY if I want to be able to catch up with the rest of the party without having to go through several posts dictating which parts of the corridor I go down.
It could also simply be a cut, GWG.Huh?
welp, you just took a fireball to the face from the magic trap on the door, taking 14 fire damageAnd this is why I should open the door.
To go lightspeed, you would need to apply infinite acceleration, requiring infinite energy. To go beyond lightspeed, you would need to apply greater than infinite acceleration, requiring additional greater than infinite energy.well...... It is possible for an object to go at the speed of light, if it had a roughly infinite mass....What is being overlooked here is that we are not powered by the magic powering the golems. We do not know if they can smash tiny bits of them together, it is magic. Same for FTL.The problem is one of control. Is your control of your body sufficient to twitch a single muscle fiber, let alone control individual cells?
And FTL is impossible by the basic laws of physics.Edited my post to show the blood flow controlling as well.....That example is control of the heart, and affects the whole bloodstream at once--not any two given cells. That would be roughly analogous to a galaxy increasing or decreasing its rate of rotation.
Finally, I'd like to again point out: It's going to be easier to make a golem out of air than out of solar systems.
So to go faster than light, you would have to go
(Mass>infinity)
Is that the one that screws with space so you technically are moving at sublight despite your surroundings moving past much faster?Not the Alcubierre drive.What is being overlooked here is that we are not powered by the magic powering the golems. We do not know if they can smash tiny bits of them together, it is magic. Same for FTL.The problem is one of control. Is your control of your body sufficient to twitch a single muscle fiber, let alone control individual cells?
And FTL is impossible by the basic laws of physics.
Wait why is the barbarian suddenly with the scouting group?Who is the barbarian?
More than you think.That's hardly realistic, and anyways I have evidence supporting my side.
I guess this is what I get for using a seldom used class...Why do you say that?
