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What is being overlooked here is that we are not powered by the magic powering the golems. We do not know if they can smash tiny bits of them together, it is magic. Same for FTL.

The problem is one of control. Is your control of your body sufficient to twitch a single muscle fiber, let alone control individual cells?
And FTL is impossible by the basic laws of physics.

Edited my post to show the blood flow controlling as well.....

That example is control of the heart, and affects the whole bloodstream at once--not any two given cells. That would be roughly analogous to a galaxy increasing or decreasing its rate of rotation.

Finally, I'd like to again point out: It's going to be easier to make a golem out of air than out of solar systems.

Rapidly assimilate spacecraft into HQ, creating a massive and powerful spaceship--the Ark!


Rescue Jews!

I think it's less toughness and more just plain ignoring the wounds.

I suspect toughness. How much is pain resistance/ignorance going to help you not die?

"Either way, those guys look like they need some help."

Enter corridor.

"Any way I could help?"

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Assuming that we can make golems out of golems...making a golem out of any cosmic structure more than several times Earth's size is going to be impossible, because it's either A. a gas giant of some kind, B. a star of some kind, or C. has a density comparable to or less than air. When we can make an air golem by carving sigils on individual air molecules, then we'll talk.

We can use magic to form the gases into sigil symbols, then let it control the rest of the body.

I don't think it works like that.
Anyways, simple physics will prevent a golem bigger than a gas giant or so from moving very fast, and anything bigger than a solar system from moving in a timescale where mortals would be able to notice.

Our galaxy moves about 600 kilometers per second. True, we don't normally notice this, but it doesn't mean it isn't moving very fast.

Actually, it does mean that. 600 kilometers per second sounds fast, but the galaxy is hundreds of millions of light-years across, so...

No, 100000 light years across. You're off by a few orders of magnitude.

Whoops.
Anyways, that's still way more than 600 kilometers. To be exact, about 1.58*10^15 times greater. The distance moved in an hour is 1/(4.39*10^11); in a year is around 5.01*10^7 times more. That 600 km/sec figure is equivalent to someone moving 0.034 micrometers (34 nanometers) in a year. An atom is merely a tenth of a nanometer. Do the math--the galaxy is virtually stationary.

Relative to it's view, it is, but by conventional standards it isn't. If this massive golem moved the orbit of a planet, using the magic force to move its planetary limb, it would be a drastic thing from our perspective, but unnoticable to the golem itself.

Actually, it would be unnoticeable to us as well.

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Who gives a shit one way or the other? If we are constructing a multiuniversal golem of unimaginable size, it doesn't really need to obey the standard laws of physics, because it would be so big as to extend outside the universes and into an infinite space surrounded by an infinite sea of bubbling universes. Once we get to the point of turning universes into sigils, there is no need for any physics to bind us.

I don't think we'll ever get to that point, I was just pointing out the problems of trying to make these golems in the first place.

it would definately be noticable if our planet and the sun started moving towards each other at a total of 1200 km per second. It may take a bit for them to collide, but I'm pretty sure we'd notice.

Ah, but the galaxy is what is moving at 600 km/sec. Can you move individual cells in your body as fast as you can walk?

We do not know how exactly the sigil power works. I'm assuming the bodies would be treated as limbs, in which case yes.

Um...a galaxy-sized body means billions to trillions of individual bodies, depending on exactly how big a "body" has to be to qualify. Putting aside the problems of controlling all those bits, even assuming FTL communications...
Your suggestion is no more rational than saying our current clay golems can take a couple grains of clay making them up and smash them into each other.

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Assuming that we can make golems out of golems...making a golem out of any cosmic structure more than several times Earth's size is going to be impossible, because it's either A. a gas giant of some kind, B. a star of some kind, or C. has a density comparable to or less than air. When we can make an air golem by carving sigils on individual air molecules, then we'll talk.

We can use magic to form the gases into sigil symbols, then let it control the rest of the body.

I don't think it works like that.
Anyways, simple physics will prevent a golem bigger than a gas giant or so from moving very fast, and anything bigger than a solar system from moving in a timescale where mortals would be able to notice.

Our galaxy moves about 600 kilometers per second. True, we don't normally notice this, but it doesn't mean it isn't moving very fast.

Actually, it does mean that. 600 kilometers per second sounds fast, but the galaxy is hundreds of millions of light-years across, so...

No, 100000 light years across. You're off by a few orders of magnitude.

Whoops.
Anyways, that's still way more than 600 kilometers. To be exact, about 1.58*10^15 times greater. The distance moved in an hour is 1/(4.39*10^11); in a year is around 5.01*10^7 times more. That 600 km/sec figure is equivalent to someone moving 0.034 micrometers (34 nanometers) in a year. An atom is merely a tenth of a nanometer. Do the math--the galaxy is virtually stationary.

Relative to it's view, it is, but by conventional standards it isn't. If this massive golem moved the orbit of a planet, using the magic force to move its planetary limb, it would be a drastic thing from our perspective, but unnoticable to the golem itself.

Actually, it would be unnoticeable to us as well.

Quote from: Jbg97 on February 02, 2013, 06:39:35 pm

Who gives a shit one way or the other? If we are constructing a multiuniversal golem of unimaginable size, it doesn't really need to obey the standard laws of physics, because it would be so big as to extend outside the universes and into an infinite space surrounded by an infinite sea of bubbling universes. Once we get to the point of turning universes into sigils, there is no need for any physics to bind us.

I don't think we'll ever get to that point, I was just pointing out the problems of trying to make these golems in the first place.

it would definately be noticable if our planet and the sun started moving towards each other at a total of 1200 km per second. It may take a bit for them to collide, but I'm pretty sure we'd notice.

Ah, but the galaxy is what is moving at 600 km/sec. Can you move individual cells in your body as fast as you can walk?

All the above sounds like good ideas.

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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on February 02, 2013, 06:18:54 pm

Quote from: Jbg97 on February 02, 2013, 06:15:27 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on February 02, 2013, 06:05:34 pm

Quote from: Remuthra on February 02, 2013, 06:02:30 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on February 02, 2013, 05:56:49 pm

Assuming that we can make golems out of golems...making a golem out of any cosmic structure more than several times Earth's size is going to be impossible, because it's either A. a gas giant of some kind, B. a star of some kind, or C. has a density comparable to or less than air. When we can make an air golem by carving sigils on individual air molecules, then we'll talk.

We can use magic to form the gases into sigil symbols, then let it control the rest of the body.

I don't think it works like that.
Anyways, simple physics will prevent a golem bigger than a gas giant or so from moving very fast, and anything bigger than a solar system from moving in a timescale where mortals would be able to notice.

Our galaxy moves about 600 kilometers per second. True, we don't normally notice this, but it doesn't mean it isn't moving very fast.

Actually, it does mean that. 600 kilometers per second sounds fast, but the galaxy is hundreds of millions of light-years across, so...

No, 100000 light years across. You're off by a few orders of magnitude.

Whoops.
Anyways, that's still way more than 600 kilometers. To be exact, about 1.58*10^15 times greater. The distance moved in an hour is 1/(4.39*10^11); in a year is around 5.01*10^7 times more. That 600 km/sec figure is equivalent to someone moving 0.034 micrometers (34 nanometers) in a year. An atom is merely a tenth of a nanometer. Do the math--the galaxy is virtually stationary.

Relative to it's view, it is, but by conventional standards it isn't. If this massive golem moved the orbit of a planet, using the magic force to move its planetary limb, it would be a drastic thing from our perspective, but unnoticable to the golem itself.

Actually, it would be unnoticeable to us as well.

Who gives a shit one way or the other? If we are constructing a multiuniversal golem of unimaginable size, it doesn't really need to obey the standard laws of physics, because it would be so big as to extend outside the universes and into an infinite space surrounded by an infinite sea of bubbling universes. Once we get to the point of turning universes into sigils, there is no need for any physics to bind us.

I don't think we'll ever get to that point, I was just pointing out the problems of trying to make these golems in the first place.