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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on February 01, 2013, 05:21:21 pm

Words.

Sentient means the ability to know suffering, or at least experience. You know suffering. I know suffering. Dogs know suffering, even rats. Simpler creatures(insects), and plants, maybe not so much.
Sapience is essentially having a mind(that can create, etc.), and it seems to me the Troglodytes have none more advanced than a wise dog's(though if tool useage can be proven, early man). By which I mean they're probably driven almost entirely by instinct.

Ah.
I meant sentience in the sense that a creature is intelligent in the "conventional" sense; if forced to define it, I'd say it's something like self-awareness. I thought sapience was more along the lines of possessing a language.

Sure, duller, or even mentally disabled humans operate on instinct far more, but they're capable of learning and even of choice. Look at the bottom of the post for what I have in mind.

You and I seem to have differing assumptions about troglodytes. I assume they are sentient beings, perhaps dull by nature and certainly uneducated but full of promise. You assume they are barely more intelligent that canines. Meaningful discussion will be...difficult if we can't get any proof one way or the other on this matter. Not that I won't try.

Dogs lack free will in the.. what? Are you implying both humans and gods lack free will(not that I disagree)?

I have no idea why I said that, I suspect mental tyop.

Nobody has the decency to turn the elves back, do they? The people in that universe are complicit with the evil. Perhaps the point where we're misunderstanding each other is thus: I do not see it as evil to, in committing genesis, enable a creature to love doing a particular act, provided it's not completely detrimental or used in a detrimental way. But breaking in an existing creature, with an existing mind, would be far darker. Which was why I suggested morphing them into completely different beings in the first place, to erase what they used to be. Hell, we might be able to make them.. I don't know what, but more sociable.

You're still taking an existing person and making them into something fit only for servitude. It matters not how much you change it, only what you started with and what you did to it.

As it is, I see an opportunity here, in a compromise. We could have a force of public worker bug people devoted to us, while at the same time civilizing them, and making them smarter/more capable than their root being. We could make them enjoy serving us(though not necessarily bound to us like stems- we need souls), in whatever way we choose. Like a secondary population of willing-to-forgo-luxuries-in-service-of-god creatures. That way, they have some measure of freedom, will work for us implicitly due to their inbuilt faith, and count as citizens, essentially. I can't quite figure out a proper analogue for this. Zealots who serve their god because they love serving their god?

I really don't like the idea of binding beings to love us eternally. Not only does it sound not-possible and evil...as a practical consequence, imagine what would happen if the Empire of Tranquility found out about the possibility...

They're already reptilian.

Depends. Are these D&D trogs or DF trogs? The former are stinky lizardmen, the latter cavemen.

Or what'shisface the Jawa?

Jara.

Then why doesn't large animal life have chitin shells? Probably partially because lugging around effectively a suit of armor is hard work when you're large. When you're small, you don't give a shit because you're a goddamn tiny Hercules (beetle, that is).

Or possibly because creatures with chitin are pretty much confined to various types of arthropods, who for various reasons can't grow very large. Certainly a beetle or lobster's chitin can be almost armorlike.

Why are we plotting the creation of a whole range of WMDs? While we're at it, let's create a giant white-hot elemental fire golem, using fusion for energy, to simply burn everything? Cold would do nothing against heat that immense, and with a local source.

Excellent question. I assume it's because each side of various arguments keeps escalating the opponents' arguments.

Have no idea what the "update" means.

(Please don't count that as my action for this turn, but it is kinda dense...)

Scream. Rub eyes. Take stock of situation once sight is returned.

Your eyes, adapted to the light of day

What kind of fortress is this?

Anyways...Locate shield, armor, or anything else of use before fleeing to the other door.

it is illegal to use taxpaper dollars to study surrender

Huh. That's an odd law.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on February 01, 2013, 04:12:15 pm

Quote from: Kadzar on February 01, 2013, 02:33:25 am

The ghost of Rakzad appears to Arthur.
"Well, this is sort of awkward, but it seems Billy just got himself offed, so we're now in the market for a new chosen one. You're not exactly ideal, but you do have some things going for you: you don't currently possess any sort of artifact of great power and are somewhat injured at the moment, so you fulfill the underdog clause; you're the only person to have survived since the first round as far as we are able to tell, so you have a touch of fate to you; and you're not exactly pure of heart by any means, but you don't seem intrinsically hostile to life, so you just about pass in that regard (though we will expect better performance in the future if our partnership is to succeed).
"So then, if you are in agreement, you may meet with our associate, Razdak, exactly 3 deaths from now. Otherwise, please let us know if you are not interested, so that we may pursue other candidates for this position."

"Um..." I think I heard something. Something I agree with.

Reinforce barrier, wish I had more than one throwing needle thingy.

Wait since his butter knife throwing thing uses one of my butter knifes, shouldn't that be gone?

No, because it's not a butter knife anymore.

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on January 31, 2013, 06:09:14 pm

I can also add shipping to my colonies specialities

GWG/Jbg97 4forever(I'll stop now)

Seriously, what is it with us and you?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 31, 2013, 10:24:13 pm

Ah, we're starting from Square 0?
If so,
Set up some farms and search for edible plants in the woods. (Say, Morningglow?)
In not,
Request that GM describe where the colony is.

Nope.  You each have a capital, and have small towns that work according to what you asked for.  In the order from North to South, you can see who borders who.  You can make more towns.  If you really really wanted, you could name those towns, but I'm not remember that that town out in the middle of nowhere is there.

Amusingly, despite misunderstanding my question, you answered it. (I was asking about where in the process of turning from wilderness to metropolis it was.)

 
Your colony is in the forest.  I read morningglow as a huckleberry.  Is that close?  Obviously there are differences, like I don't know if huckleberries can be made into an alchoholic beverage. 

I actually didn't base it on anything. Well, a little on sunberries, but not much.

Quote from: kahn1234 on February 01, 2013, 07:11:32 am

EDIT:Send a message to both Meridia and Eisen asking for a non aggression pact.

I take that as a declaration of war upon Proelia. I advise you to reconsider.

Wait, what? Nonaggression with others is war with you? Do you want all the not-war to yourself or something?

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Check status of Sun Wine facilities. Its our main export, after all. Actually, do a "routine" check on all industries. Don't start anything special just yet.

Colony Name: The Earldom of the Brave Romance
Name: Earl Timertikos Cardial
Region: Southern North