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I think we should visit my people. I mean, Haian sort of presumably knows where the original Warforged armies were camped out, and there's probably at least some left.True, but they'd be a bit light on food or seeds.
I liked the idea before you said that.Essentially. It also looks like a donut.For our symbol I like a really old idea here.Like an Ouroboros symbol divided into Fire and Life components?
Two concentric circles, the outer of fire, the inner of vines. The fire and vines are constantly coiling about one another, the fire destroying the vines and the vines regrowing into new shapes.
+1-Gather wood/leaves/ fruit from the tree
-Smash the globe some more.Have Al use that giant swordGive that herb to Al. He smells like a hippie nature expert.Don't forget to ask Al what he was saying earlier, as we couldn't quite take it all in.+1
Mountainhome does not imply cavern.Corrupter, your suggestion sounds like it would be swell; if no caves are present!OOC you guys do know that Udil made a Mountainhome, right?
They'll be nice and dark!
Yeah, but they probably light it up....Fool. Didn't you see how he's threatened to cast the Ninth Continent into the ocean? Repeatedly?
And to JBG, I don't want to hurt your squiddles, I'll help them to thrive in the Darkness of the Abyss!
And as you gave birth to the Universe and all it's Darkness, I shall have no quarrel with you!
join the dance!+1
try not to ruin everything...
Also, her name is Marna. Was buried a few pages back.Oh. Okay.
What do you mean when you say sentient?Before I go on; you used sentient in an odd way. Perhaps you meant sapient?Also, GWG: Dogs are considered property under the law. And were, in fact, 'made'(in a manner of speech) to be subservient to humans. Is that so wrong?Considering that dogs are not sentient? Not so much as it would be for the troglodites. Also, we're not just enslaving a species under your proposal--we'd be creating a race for the sole purpose of enslavement.QuoteI'm not saying we allow our people to mistreat and murder them willy-nilly(would you murder your dog(if you had one)?), but we would do well with a race of workers to tend to menial tasks.Why on whatever planet this game is set on did you call them slaves if you didn't imagine using them anything like slaves?QuoteHell, if we can build them to have no attachment to family members, and love working, it'd work out fine. In other words: is it wrong to force a robot to work if it's been programmed to love work?No, but it is wrong to program a fully sentient robot to love work.
"Of course whatever Dark wizard who created them in the first place was evil beyond compare, but that was no reason to deny the poor creatures the servitude they were bred to enjoy." --Harry
Potter, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
It would be wrong to force them to like working their hindquarters off and then exploiting them. Just giving them menial jobs is fine, but NOT if we force them into slavery with their psychology!
The power of a being's soul is seemingly tied directly to its capacity for free will. Troglodytes have weak souls. Therefor they lack free will in all its power, falling somewhere between really weak willed humans and stems(which, by the way, are essentially undead analogues) in their ability to defy us. And dogs are arguably sentient. Can they suffer? Can they experience their own little life? Yes? Good enough. And how is creating a race for the sole purpose of having workers around any different from breeding wolves into servitude? Actually, this brings to mind a curious idea; life-long body guards/manservants for our people? But I digress.Dogs completely lack free will in the sense that humans lack it. Also, your argument could be used for the enslavement of humans with mental disabilities as well. I'm sure that's not something you support, but as your argument can be used to justify it, I advise you to reconsider said argument.
Now, are they sapient? Which is what really matters. I think not, or at least not in any way beyond a particularly wily coyote. It's obvious they're lacking in a multitude of 'higher' brain functions, or at least a good chunk of self-awareness. They're probably between dogs and orcs(though orcs may just be stupid) in that regard, to be honest. How would making them enjoy working be so evil? Your quote itself illustrates the point: Why deny a being built to take pleasure from its work the pleasure it derives from working? Perhaps building them that way could be construed as evil, but then again, Krait has his labor force, and he's a pretty okay guy.A few things.
Also I called them slaves for one reason: Because it was the first term to come to mind(all are slaves to Armok). 'Unpaid workers' had too much of an indentured servant feel, and they're not working to pay off a debt. 'Robots' is a term that only really applies to Stems, and implies a great degree of disposability. And just plain old 'workers' implied they had more free will than they do now. Perhaps the easiest way to describe it would be 'slaves with rights'. Like permanent indentured servants.I'd be fine with "workers," because it describes what I imagine them doing well. The neo-trogs would be people as much as humans--maybe not quite accepted, but undeniably people.
WE ARE FUCKING CHAOS. WHY DO WE GIVE A SHIT WHETHER IT IS ETHICAL TO MAKE SUBSERVIENT BEINGS SENTIENT. YOU'RE SOUNDING LIKE THOSE EOT ASSHOLES AND THEIR STUPID ASS GENDOVA CONVENTION. "OH, WE SHOULDN'T EXPLODE OUR ENEMIES INTERNAL ORGANS BEFORE KILLING THEM. THAT'S INHUMANE." THE WHINY BITCHES....
No no, no ant-things. At least, not for the afterlife.GENIUS!
Fucking BUTTERFLIES.
The feed off the nectar of the chaos berries as adults and flit around and look pretty, while the caterpillar spawn eat leaves and shit. They weave their coccoons out of pure existence, and weave them over the cracks in the afterlife to seal the void out.
Our afterlife stays pretty, and the holes are sealed up tight!
You fail to realize that fire can be harmful, both to the user and the object. Also, fire on a quarterstaff is less useful than fire and a quarterstaff, for an analogous reason to that by which adding chlorine (deadly) to sodium (dangerous) results in a compound far safer than either, or why chocolate-covered bacon is disgusting rather than doubly delicious.Quote2. No, they don't. They just can't be used as long and set stuff on fire.I can mathematically prove that anything on fire is more useful than that thing not on fire.
Let's say the usefulness of our object is represented by x.
x>=0, because nothing can be negatively useful.
Let's represent the usefulness of fire by y.
Fire can be used for some things, so y>0.
Therefore, x + y must be greater than x.
Just going to cut in here and say no butterflies. Please.Why not?
WAit a moment.A bit...blunter than I would have put it which, as many of you know, is saying something, but true.
The niece of the duke?
Wait.
Stop.
Halt.
The Duke is the highest charge available, and can either be the Royal Duke (AKA it's royal blood) or it can not be Royal (but still it's still the highest available charge!)
As a niece of the duke, then it means her father is the younger brother of the duke, or her mother is the younger sister of the Duke. That means, unless mistaken, that she may either be of royal blood...but I doubt it...or still pretty high.
Well. We've got ourselves a target gentlemen!
wwell Gwg the Dwarves hate you for the following problem: before they were in an area (the Savannahs and Wastelands around the volcanoes) in which they evolved and were adapted to, being the superior predator,, they were few but prospered none the less. Then you came by and change their entire biome. Add mightier Predators than them and expect them to thank you. I mean thats like putting all tigers into Siberia and wondering why they are killed off by Cold,Elks and Wolves.I know that. Neyravah don't, however.
Shall we work on...mitigating his threat, then?I'm actually keeping my many eyes on the rest of the universe while you lot play in the dirt with your toys and preparing for the inevitable invasion by eldritch abominations. I'm the only one who understands the danger here, and thus the only sane woman.I actually am preparing for that possibility, but at the moment the only eldritch being we have to worry about is your homicidal father.
I won't. I've only threatened to help them, yet you've acted as if I threatened to kill them all!Hexant fully supports of all Overgod killings, mostly because then the Squiddles have noone to protect them from his race.You can threaten my godly children, you can threaten the humans, you can threaten the dwarves, you can even threaten me. BUT YOU. DO. NOT. THREATEN. MY. SQUIDDLES.
(OOC: You never stated anything other than our name. are we male? female? whats our origins? etc.)We don't know any of that, although we can intuit gender from the name.
That's even stupider than swordchucks.I can dual-wield longbowsYou should start dual-wielding your dual wield (can't? Multiclass as Ranger/Ranger).
Also, since we don't seem to have a coherent pantheon, I'll have a holy symbol for whatever passes as the prime gods of the LG, NG, CN, N and NE alignments. That oughta be a nice balance.Probably Heronious, Pelor, Ollidamara, Fharligan, and Vecna, IIR their alignments C. Maybe throw in Kord or Hextor, too.
I dunno about that, Kobolds to tend to serve the chromatic dragons more often than not.Typically, but that's more due to typical alignments than anything.
And who do you think gave us that mission to get that book at the start of the campaign GWG?I think that's one of the sessions where I was still trying to figure out how to attend. (Remember, I tried a tablet but it didn't work, etc...?)
