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Out of curiosity...why is my character considered the Great Evil Demon Guy?

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And how is that different, functionally, from my suggested Fungus Sleepers?

It would be reversible I guess.

Well, assuming that the infection in the lungs was taking control of the body, that would require...me to remember to stop applying real-world neurobiology to this.
Well, a bit of a plus I guess. I'll boil down the differences I see between the two Fungus Sleeper subspecies:
A (mine):
-Useful as troops once their utility as sleeper agents is lost one way or another
-More similar to the Fungus Spawn (although either would be a big change)
-A couple more ways to aggressively spread the spores
B (Remuthra's):
-Reversible
-No chance of accidental detonation
-Probably a shorter incubation period
So...Focusing on the strengths of the Fungus Sleepers, Remuthra's idea is superior. I guess something about spreading spores by explosions caught my imagination.

I don't like the sleepers for one basic reason.

It's killing civilians.

I'll give you that. How do you feel about Remurtha's idea?

the fact that microscopic spores is a ridiculous concept, the part where if they don't have some form of homeostasis, their structure can be broken down pretty easily, that where if they don't have some way of creating energy, they need an outside source to do so,

Most of that is present in real-world creatures. You'd be amazed at how hardy life can be. Really, the only unproven bit is the bit about protecting it from Death Magic.

the part where I doubt morale is good there anyway,

And killing people who up till that point have been normal couldn't make it worse?

and I doubt they have no way of healing people, and so am pretty sure that thre's a very easy way to tell if someone's a sleeper. Cut them open. Somewhat surgically. At the stomach. If their guts are fungus? They're a sleeper.

Hm. Hadn't thought of that.
Wow, Remuthra's idea solves a lot of problems.

There's the part where you seem to be underestimating the bodies responses to something attacking one of it's precious internal organs, the possibility of organ failure in many victims, due to the difficulty of an part-fungus part-animal thing happening in a creature not designed for such,

1. Immunosupressants or mimicking biochemistry
2. Magic
3. No longer an isue

and of course, the horrid thought of it happening to our own worshippers,

Control. Control has been discussed since pretty much the first post talking about the Sleepers, and yet no one seems to acknowledge our suggestions about ways to control them.

or even worse, it inspiring our enemie's to do something similar.

What? They already want to kill us. Can't imagine anything being much worse than that.

Would it be effective? Certainly. Would it be conceivable if this were a real world situation and thus we were applying our own morales rather than game morales to the situation? Depends on the person.

Well, these guys are pretty darn Evil from our perspective. Look at it as us being Eisenhower, and Japan being about dozens to hundreds of times stronger than the US. Yeah, I can see Nagasaki happening with much less regret.

Is it required? No.

Is it worth discussion and improvement? Yes.
Have any of you offered improvements? Well, other than Remuthra, no. You've just been attacking my ideas, along with large amounts of attacking-not-my-ideas.

Is it likely that a pantheon of order has the ability to keep their holdings incredibly clean and thus create incredibly effective quarantine measures? Yes.

Considering that they're basically the Middle Ages, but with less concern about human life...

What we should focus on is defenses, what with a powerful order god coming to try and ass-rape us. A good offence is the best defense, but a good offense needs the attacking party to be on a power level similar to or better than the defenders.

We have a pretty good defense, the two aren't mutually exclusive, and for the last (I hope) time:
THIS IS NOT AN IDEA I FEEL WE MUST IMPLEMENT IMMEDIATELY, JUST ONE I THINK WE SHOULD EVENTUALLY.

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...How would that be a Sleeper agent?

Because it would hijack the person like the fungus spawn, maybe it would act as a censor, forcing the host to do as we wish, but otherwise act normal.

And how is that different, functionally, from my suggested Fungus Sleepers?

just how would a sleeper agent work? I can't really think of anything aside from killing the origional (perhaps not physical, but the 'person selfhood kinda thing') and replacing it with a creation of our own,
or if it doesnt kill the 'self' why should they be alligned to us after being turned?
I'm prettymuch opposed to trying to destroy the follower base of our enemies by going after their civilian population with agressive acts.

You hit it more or less on the head.
And they'd be doing the same to us, just less subtly and leaving less of the person.

Admire own fine sock.

6: You admire the Giant Cave Spider silk sock on your feet. You have a lot more of these, all hidden in the caverns below.

Oh, goody!

Grab a drink. Send some lazy worthless cheesemakers to the caverns to retrieve your socks. Tell them that whoever returns with the most socks gets a free pair of socks, with the second-placer getting a single free sock. Three socks in exchange for a lot more socks, plus clearing fortress rabble? Sounds good.