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The buds are redundant, the stems aren't exclusively warriors, especially if we want to make them a full fledged race in this universe, plus we don't want an immediate caste system where only a small portion of the population can ever fight effectively.  What that would be doing is limiting our ability to thrive.

The idea is that only the Buds would be free-willed. That way, we can spread them out without fear of angering the other gods for sending warriors to set up camp in their land.

Quote from: Rolepgeek on January 21, 2013, 05:24:03 pm

Can we even increase the number of seeds they make? Our output has increased, and we don't want stems to be an invasive species(get it?) yet.

and they wont be. we have plenty of space, and if we start to get too many of them, we can just stockpile seeds (blessed so that they dont 'go off') until we need more Stems/Saps etc.

The "invasive species" idea was a warfare tactic.

As I said, we don't use humans at all... That's what I dislike. Because Justicars will rape that manaless, soulless troops with their boons. Only Tiberius, Laksus and dragons stand a chance

You put an awful lot of faith in the value of worship. I daresay that fungus spawn and Saps have a better chance in mano a mano combat than normal humans, to say nothing of our mole.

Stems and saps can replace humans in all tasks... As well as other creations....

Except, y'know, worship.

84 mana to grant every worshiper a minor boon. equals to only  26% of our current mana income. We can afford that

Don't we have hundreds of worshipers now?

20 Mana to make ten superfarmers ( freeing all other population from agriculture forever. Making them able to do other jobs) equals to 6% of our daily mana income. And still, you guys are way to greedy and can't spare that.

I can!
...If we can choose which 10 to boon...

I will support giving our men more power, and granting them more importance in construction\army\industry\support because else humans will become clearly inferior to our creations. I don't want society like that

+1

And death of the worshiper is not an end of the world, it's a one time mana boost + 1 soul in the afterlife

How callous...but true.

The other gods aren't that generous with boons, so far we've only known the warriors and preists of the other civs to have boons, and with the dwarfs we THINK they might have boons, but even if they do, that could be a builder caste.

Emphasis on know. We haven't really seen much of most of the other gods.
Besides, we're Chaos. Dare to be different, yo.

Bacon Bushes. Cheese Trees. This is a necessity.

Speaking of the feast, there is even more reason to get some variety quickly.

Cheese trees, yes. Bacon bushes? We have melons for meat.

Quote from: kahn1234 on January 21, 2013, 05:58:49 pm

Quote from: Talvara on January 21, 2013, 05:56:58 pm

are lacking spice in their life

which reminds me. We also need to set up a dye industry (a profitable industry on its own, with the ability to up our clothing income) and a spices industry.

That's what our villagers can do themself, if we grant them life boons

If nothing else, they'd do it more and better.

New Idea:
Let's use our life magic to make our current followers breed and reach adulthood faster.  To offset them getting upset about a shorter childhood, our life magic would also give them a longer overall life.

Edit: If we don't do this then we should seriously give at least some of our plant people free will so we get mana from them.

One of these is a good idea. Okay, both are bad, but either could be made workeable with a little effort.

Quote from: Ukrainian Ranger on January 21, 2013, 08:11:05 pm

genomodification of humans is a form of evil chaos, like necromancy is a form of evil death

Not really.  A person could want to be modified in order to gain power and be stronger just like a person could want to be reanimated as a lich or vampire if they wanted to be more powerful.  If they want it, is it really that bad?

Agreed.

Quote from: gman8181 on January 21, 2013, 08:14:53 pm

Not really.  A person could want to be modified in order to gain power and be stronger just like a person could want to be reanimated as a lich or vampire if they wanted to be more powerful.  If they want it, is it really that bad?

Yep, it's evil

That's an opinion.
The reanimatee may be evil, but the reanimator wouldn't be. (In my opinion.)

If we do this we have to have permission from the female, and be there at the moments notice for any sign of trouble.

Agreed. This should be fine for more minor modifications. (Major ones should require paternal consent as well. Possibly also extended family, siblings, and [if possible] the child itself.)

but it all sounds pretty evil to me.

Why?

if theres anything that could win me over, it would be a justification for those suggested actions from Donuts point of view.

Which? The GMing?
"I should improve these people."
"Everyone else has their own races; why shouldn't I have one?"
"I'm afraid the Empire of Tranquility will cream us if we don't."
"It would improve my worshiper's lives."

Quote from: Talvara on January 21, 2013, 08:49:00 pm

from the female, and from the unborn child (which may be problemetic)
unless we're just borrowing a womb.
but it all sounds pretty evil to me.

It's not evil. It's maybe morally and ethically darker.
Why? If we don't just hijack a womb, of course.

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But as long as we ask permission, it should be fine. And hey, we can throw in a painless birth and 100% of survival for both child and mother in to the deal, which is sure to get the pregnant gal's permission.

Indeed.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 21, 2013, 05:37:29 pm

Who in the Synod thinks that trying to unite our followers to create a Pantheon sounds like a good idea? More mana, from the sounds of it...

Spoiler: The Synod (click to show/hide)

Laws:
1. Any being, whether a power, a servant to a power, a mortal, or whatever may be condemned by a 2/3 or greater vote of the organization; a condemned being may be absolved by a simple majority vote.
2. A condemned being which has not subsequently been absolved is subject to any punishments agreed on by a majority of the group.
3. Any rules may be changed by a two-thirds majority vote after a suggestion by a member power. The same process may be applied to alter rather than add laws.
4. No being may be prosecuted for punishing said being's own servants for infractions of the being's laws or orders.
5. If any two members of the Synod wish to go to war, and both agree to it, the Synod will not disapprove and may not act as a body to end the war or punish the members. Any collateral damage which harms nonparticipant parties may still be prosecuted.

Orders:
As suggested by Inithis, if Jbg sincerely apologizes to Vgray and removes his curse, as well as stopping his attacks on the atheist dwarves, he will be absolved. Requires a simple majority.

Members: (9)
GreatWyrmGold (Draco)
Gman (Jim)
Inithis (Inithis)
Javierpwn (Javier)
Kashyyk (Azaroth)
Rancor (Usael)
Scapheap (Cupitas)
Vgray (Azem)
Wwolin (Alrezar)

The Condemned:
Jebyg, To be punished with dAIDS

Proposals:
B. A Resolution to Create an "Alcatraz"
When neither death nor a life among mortals is an acceptable punishment for a mortal, imp, angel, lesser fae, or whatever, imprisonment is our best remaining option. For those beings too powerful for a mortal prison, a more powerful alternative should be available. Thereby, by affirming this resolution, we agree to work on the design and creation of a prison for such needs.
4/5 Votes
Aye: GreatWyrmGold, Scapheap, Vgray, Wwolin

It's a neat idea, but he said that after six members it starts to lose efficiency.

He said that after 6, it didn't gain efficiency.

Inithis Draco, if you want, I'll do my best to get the mortals to include you in the pantheon.

I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Anyway I don't believe any of you gods have written a bible in this universe thus far, nor has anyone tested the prospect of sacrificing animals, so science awaits.

Closest thing is the Book of Truth, but I doubt anyone quoted the Eladrin on if animals have souls.

Man, i got a lots of things i forgot to do here. I still need to put GWG in that flesh, blood, and bone cage and i still have no arms for my armchair!

I'm not worried. I have the Synod backing me. And don't try to take them out first; every member of the Synod is backed by every other member of the Synod. You have to defeat nine powers. While asleep.

Anyways, we need one more vote before we can do the Alcatraz Expy thing.

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Shame.

Newly PM'd Action. Plan's a-go, Pariah.

Who in the Synod thinks that trying to unite our followers to create a Pantheon sounds like a good idea? More mana, from the sounds of it...

"I'm just having some discussion with the leaders of this town. They have...unique ideas; I'm trying to discern the usefully innovative ones and dispel the harmful ones. Such as the ones that I am the same as that fiend Jebyg..."

I'm also interested about what being in a Pantheon means and who all is in it.

Oh, and we have the "Save the Sorcerer" bill passed. Next step:

B. A Resolution to Create an "Alcatraz"
When neither death nor a life among mortals is an acceptable punishment for a mortal, imp, angel, lesser fae, or whatever, imprisonment is our best remaining option. For those beings too powerful for a mortal prison, a more powerful alternative should be available. Thereby, by affirming this resolution, we agree to work on the design and creation of a prison for such needs.

Ninja'd:

Jim, Azaroth, you, and Alrezar. Lots of A's and Z's. Pantheon hood means that people who worship any of you, worship the pantheon, and you pool that worship together, then divide it equally to get the amount of stuff each of you get. If you are their primary god in the pantheon, then half of their worship goes directly to you, as well as going in the mana pool. I want something to make larger pantheons more efficient, but only up to a point, so that a pantheon of two is the same as no pantheon, three is better, wi about six being the maximum efficiency. I just don't know what it would be.

Huh...I have a question: What criterion are needed to be in a Pantheon?

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