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As a gold dragon, I can breathe fire into the arena two turns out of six, and will do so.

Not aiming for anyone, kinda aiming for both. Because why not?

Join Crew. Initiate Plan.

We are going to have a lot of fireball (or plasma) cannons on our fortress.  I just think we should have at least one chaos weapon as well and if we're just going to have one, it might as well be a really powerful one.  Remember what happened to that shaman when our dragon breathed chaos on it?  It killed the goblin and gave us an ally (albeit not an extremely useful one).  Now imagine pouring huge amounts of chaos energy on an advancing enemy army, killing tons of them and giving us legions of mutated monsters as well.  If we don't like what they turn into, just pour down some spores and turn them into fungus spawn.

Well, some issues...
1. Expense
2. Fallout
We have to live here. If we keep irradiating the land with Chaos, it'll be harder to do so. Even if we don't hit our village, how many traders would be willing to cross a band of Chaos-tainted land to reach us?

It's not actually fallout, this isn't a nuke.

Well duh. Fallout is just a nice metaphor for all the insanity Chaos does.

Also, since we already have a sort of firebolt salvo planned, I think it would be better to go with the Chaos. Alternatively, we could try to give it a few different firing elements, which would also strengthen the Chaos. Because what's more chaotic than several different elements at the same time?

Le sigh. How about we just make a cannon room which we can buff with life, chaos, and fire from us, and death, chaos, and snakes from Krait? Maybe even get some earth and creation in with it. Heck, let's find a Water god to infuse some into it to! But not now, not yet. For now, just get it in the air and maybe add some AA flamethrowers.

The problem with this is that our primary enemies are all the foot soldiers of gods of order, they will have put in place measures to ensure that they can't be royally screwed over by the directed energies of chaos, a weapon that instead utilises life or fire will be much more useful since it will completely bypass the one attribute that all ten of those gods have in common, where as a chaos cannon would be rendered useless against them because of those ten gods of order.  All of whom just so happen to be orders of magnitude stronger than us.

Nine gods of order orders of magnitude stronger than us.
And yeah, flamethrowers. Consider a chaos cannon later, when we have more time, more allies*, and fewer of our enemies are Order gods.
*Including a Water God.

Befriend monster. In whatever sense.

So wait are you guys going to get angry if I sacrifice or kill some independent mortals?  I don't actually plan on killing that many, just want some for my experiments and my generators.

Nice thing about the laws as they are, it's a bit vague. The biggest question is how the Synod votes...

Proposal E is passed.

...Ah. That makes this a bit more...complicated.

I like the tree thing, but why does no one want to train some saps to mine? The tree can grow its roots down creating a tunnel to mine from then fill wherever the manarack is removed. There problem solved, no dwarfs mining, still our secret, no weak mole tunnels..
Does no one else want that?

Meh.

Quote from: Origami_Psycho on January 20, 2013, 09:45:45 am

And as far as your castle thing goes, a vine elevator will allow the enemy foot soldiers inside, and there ought to be some space for crops, as then we can both hold out against siege, and grow more soldiers en route.
And, once again, I think it would be beneficial to add some ingrained genetic memory as to how one fights/conducts warfare to our soldiers, since if we can make new life we got to have a pretty damn good understanding of biology.  It would save us having to train then, which means that fresh soldiers would be much more effective if we can't afford the time to train them.

No I mean it would be a platform lowered by vines to the ground from the center then pulled back up and in. The plants are under our command, if enemies board the platform just tell the plants to let go.
For food, lets go with Krait and build a vine like plant that grows lighter than air bags and melons. It will grow out in a plane from our fort which we can just pull back in to harvest. Plus these vine plants can grow all over the city.

Sounds like a good idea.

+1 to ingrained fighting skills.

No arguments here.

Quote from: jaass on January 20, 2013, 10:49:49 am

1. For now get the flying castle up and running.
2. Start the mining operation.
After,
1. Possible some scout units since right now we are going blind about the world around us
2. Spec-op style units
3. Increase production of Saps
4. The go ahead for the alchemist to start making the bombs.

+1 Lets just get this game going. Poor GM having to read this lol.

Agreed.

And we will add all that stuff like uberweapons later, when we upgrade fortress, now nukes are just not needed, it's an airbase with some fire support, not a strat bomber . Now we decide what to ask from Uristel, he can't make a chaos cannon
Again, be more practical and concentrate on more important and urgent matters then some cannon that may ( or may not) be useful much later

A bit redundant, since I agreed with UkRa on this last post, but...+1

GWG,  tunnels in stone have other reasons to collapse, and you trust an animal to make it right. Tunnels of the real world moles collapse constantly, not only when it's raining. It's why holes in the fields appear.  Expect the same holes from our magical mole. IMO, You all overplayed DF and think that mining is easy.

Alternatively, I have faith in the GM that we will get warning before the tunnels collapse...and I believe that tunnels collapsing would do nothing to our village, which is kinda not on top of the manarack. All it would do is startle our poor little mole.

As for worshipers, it's true, but expanding and improving afterlife first is an easier way to increase mana generation...

+1 to improving afterlife.

Sap miners...  plant miners and undeground, don't you see a problem?

+1

Save mana for the fortress construction? we have 300+ already

I think he means to set aside 200 before doing stuff with it.