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Well, I'd still like to see your estimate.

I will if I can find it.

Given that a Moon base would have to be underground for radiation purpose, I don't see how it would be less expensive that a underground base on Earth.

The biggest difference is the depth. On Luna, you probably don't have to bury the main living quarters more than a dozen meters, if that, and some things can be closer to the surface. If you're protecting your base from every kind of attack, that's probably miles you need to haul the rock up.

As for the "self-sustainable" thing, that's the beauty of the Earth option. You don't need to be self-sustainable until shit hit the fan. And once shit happen, well, you can wait a decade and then move back to the surface.

Well, I can't agree with this philosophy, but it's a matter of opinion so I won't argue.

Now, let's go through your list of possible fan-dirtying stuff:

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Ignoring environmental issues as good problems, too?

Find me an environmental issue that can strip Earth of all life and remove its athmosphere and magnetoshpere and I'll consider it. Otherwise, the Moon environment is still way worse than the Earth's.

I can't, but it doesn't take nearly that much to wipe out all civilization on Earth or even all humans on Earth.

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How about political crap? That could be more devastating than a war. If, for example, you put this hypothetical, expensive, base in Alaska, and after a war Russia annexed Alaska, what happens to the base? Even if this is unlikely, consider the basic concept: As long as a base is on Earth, it is susceptible to Earth-based attacks.

Well, while it's true, I though the point was to keep technology and stuff alive to help people after a civilizational collapse. If the Russians can annex you, good for them.

You're assuming the Russians want to keep the base...and that their annexing of the base didn't destroy it...and that the Russians want to send food to the base like you suggest...

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Seismic events would ruin your base. They're not much of a problem for a Lunar base near the surface, but an underground base hit by an earthquake would probably risk caving in.

That's why you don't build your base in a seismic area.

So earthquakes NEVER happen in non-seismic areas?

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Your seal on the door had better be pretty good, or your little base is going to get water trickling in from rain or melting snow, assuming that the aquifers in the area are nonexistent or properly sealed.

Oh my! I didn't see this coming. If only we had access to waterproof materials! (Frankly, it's easier to keep water out than to keep moon dust out.)

Nothing lasts forever. Are you going to send someone up to the surface every so often to examine the waterproof coating and replace it somehow?

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How about your settlement breaking down because you're always a mile or several underground, with no chance to have fresh air, see the stars, or even be in a relatively open area?

You ahd me laugh out loud here. Because the moon is well known for it's gorgeous landscape and fresh air. Again, here is the beauty of the Earth option, you don't have to stay inside the whole time, you can actually go outside and go fishing or something.

1. You're assuming that the catastrophe in question is one where that would be wise...
2. Luna does at least have wide-open spaces.

Now, looking at it, it seems your "giant library" argument were not what's really motivating you, and that what you want is really a resting home for misanthropic libertarians. Well, I wouldn't mind sending them on the Moon either, but I don't think policy-maker should take that kind of objectives in account when discussing our space program.

If you can't even read my explanations for why right, and keep changing your interpretations, why do I bother arguing?

Not dealing with ebbor's huge megapost.

Any governement is not going to let you build a colony without infiltrating it. Especially in a cold war type scenario. Sure, nobody is going to attack it during the war, but it will be forced to take on allegiance before. Especially if there's a chance of humanity nuking themselves into extinction.

Wait, why are you assuming I'm having the base built during the war, or that such people wouldn't be allowed in the colony if there was room and they didn't try to sabotage the base?

You're pannels won't be so nice to get dusty in one before the other. What really happens is that first you get a dust storm, severly reducing power while you can't do anything (What'd you going to do, brush the atmosphere?) and then wind settles and dust starts to rain down on a large part of the pannels. Secondly, magnetic dust. It sticks to the pannels, meaning specialized brushing equiptment.

Good thing my main plans are for Luna, then.

The fusion constant is actually 40 years, not 20.

Whatever, the idea's the same.

Oh, and by the way: Since this is a thread which the title and OP pretty clearly indicate is to be talking about a future Martian colony and I have to convince other people that we will and have reasons to colonize other worlds--when there's already attempts to do so underway--I see no point in continuing following this thread. If it was a thread titled something like "Should we colonize space?" or with a similar OP, this would be fine, but as it is...nope. Good day. Have fun discussing fusion in a thread about space colonization.

Why do you think that pries is suited for that boon? We quite decided to use him as a a missionary

Because we have someone in need of a boon and want to give someone a Chaos boon. (I personally suggest we give the priest a Life boon of the healing variety. Again.)

I think that alchemist with chaos boon can produce some interesting things. We just need to care that he does his experiments in a safe place

No place is safe when you're an alchemist with a Chaos boon.

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Green
Poison Gas, Empowering Possession
A serpent
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I like it but Compelling voice instead of Empowering Possession since snakes=tempters

Didn't notice that power. Changing...

They stopped believing in Celestia, so they eventually lost all faith in the gods..., and saw if they stopped believing, their problems would stop....

That's odd, seeing as new problems are being started by certain gods (and devils) angry at their lack of belief...wait, me and Jebyg are the only gods left...

I would bless them with some sort of light inducing material that helps crops grow at an immense rate..

That will turn them back to religion

If you promise to make sure I get due credit, I'd be willing to help.

I should find some Komodo dragons, alter their form to make them sentient, and disease spreading, and loyal to me, and they shall be immune to my diseases

And just what would you do with those people, hm?

I don't understand why the mortals are turning from all of us, just because Celestia left. Did I miss something? Was it what passes for a war?

Still think we should make some recon-flyers..

Not yet, mkay? We have enough flyers for now. Wait until we have a chance to chat with Krait. Maybe after the feast, we can talk about him making some ampitheres which we then fiddle with.

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If Ravenloft is actually overrun by werewolves, we should send in Laskus to recruit them to our religion.

Town of werewolves that worship us please me more than it should.

Agreed.

Oh, and to clarify: I'm pro-kill-gobbos-if-needed, and pro-show-off-strength-to-goblins-to-convert-them, but anti-kill-gobbos-until-they-join. Fine distinction? Yes. Important? I think so.

How can you extrapolate the goblins having their own singular god which all worship from the orcs having such a god? By that logic, humans must also worship only one god.