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Quote from: Jbg97 on January 14, 2013, 08:19:04 pm

Quote from: jaass on January 14, 2013, 08:15:58 pm

manarack gives mana(worship). Also, we still don't have the plant soldiers' ability to morph their arms into any weapon or shield. Maybe we focus on autonomy on the creatures we created like someone mention earlier the firejacket queen.

First, we need the army to be organized though. We can't just have everything bum rush our enemy. We have foot soldiers, but for all the shit we created we have no heavy artillery and only meager air support (which also happens to be our main supply of income. NOT A GOOD THING).

We also have the giant silk spiders that produce silk stronger then armor.

Which we should be using.

Quote from: Jbg97 on January 14, 2013, 08:28:48 pm

Fuck it. Lets create a set of gourd-like trees. They will launch their seeds, which not only explode on contact with the ground but also sends out spores, these spores can grow new gourd trees or they can act as a nerve gas.
While the trees are immobile they
A: Launch exploding seeds, flinging shrapnel and nerve gas reproductive spores
B: Can be controlled by Eldrick or someone else with a Life boon or
C: Also be made autonomous so that when a life boon imbued person is unavailable the trees can somewhat help defend, albiet much more inaccurately.

Really, their is no point right now we should focus on defense.

...those ARE for defense...ever play a Tower Defense game?

Oh, and I support the "improve the plant soldiers" idea. And the "make the trees work for our defense better" one(s).

((At least half a dozen. Possibly 0.9*10^4 or more.)

I had a what?

Try to activate mark thingy?

Wait, who brings children to a battle? ...Other than dwarves.

-snip-

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions. I'll pretend for a moment that magic really does work like that, because it might have been covered in a ThreeToe story.
What makes you think that elves don't have any idea how their magic works? We humans tried to figure out how our "magic" works, didn't we?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 14, 2013, 06:10:34 pm

1. You're assuming that a random guy with a walkie-talkie actually knows how said walkie-talkie works.
2. Another problem: Elves, being stereotypically distrustful of other races, would be unlikely to share their secrets with other races in the first place. Comprehension has nothing to do with it.
3. Elven magic presumably functions on principles that don't work on nonmagical worlds, because...well, it's kinda implied by "magic."
4. Clarke's Third Law. (Also Heterodyne's First Law.) If you don't understand it, it's magic. If you do, it's not.

1. I know! What is with these examples that don't cover absolutely every possible scenario? It's shameful.

Um, most people don't understand how walkie-talkies work. Or computers. A lot of people probably don't even know how cars work. Ignorance? Noe that is shameful.

Here it is fixed.
"How does it work?"
"It [utilizes a technology, assuming the speaker understands said technology of course] to [perform a function, assuming the speaker understands said function of course] so I can [utilize the device for something, assuming the speaker understands said utility of course]."

Problem is, that's still the same idea. The general point is, those not versed in the ideas of a culture find their more advanced developments to seem magical.

2. I know! What is with these examples that don't cover absolutely every possible scenario? Here is the way it should have gone.
"How does it work?"
"Fuck you! I'm an elf! You think that hypothetical elves should explain things just because they're in hypothetical examples? I spit on you! Realism! *ptoo*"

...
It's still more like...oh, brother. Look, elves don't divulge their secrets, and even if they did dwarves wouldn't have a clue what they were talking about. Just like the elves wouldn't understand a RL!human's explanation of a computer.

3. Yes! That is why you did not compare it to technology and say that the comparison is "perfectly apt", because it is magic and not technology. ohwait

It's an analogy, for goodness's sake! It doesn't have to cover every single thing!

4. Oooh, links and laws, my favorite way to win an argument.

In this case, Clarke's Third Law is perfectly germane.

Just remember Young's Law of Scientific Extrapolation and this reply will make sense to you.

Google-Fu does not indicate that law's existence. Link?

On a non-sarcastic note,

Well, there goes a minute and a half.

many if not most works state that magic has a defined system that is understood by its users, but its results are focused through the intention of the user and are usually based on the direct manipulation of magic "fields" with few steps in between. This makes it different than our technology (because we do not have intention-based powers).

The general idea is, if you don't understand something it's magic. If you don't, it's science.,

Now then, let's take a step back.
The original point of the thread: Elves can identify their own wooden goods so that trade is easier.
The painful interruption: "Omg guys, we need to extend this magic wood system because mentioning magic is giving me wood, I think that instead of changing the name of the suggestion to something like 'marked wood' we should engage in a long, rambling discussion about magic, technology and 'not going far enough' because there can be no small simple suggestions here."
The result: This crap instead of actually talking about the ramifications of the suggestion as the first poster interpreted it; i.e. making trade easier and leading to improved relations with the elves.

Stop saying that suggestions "aren't extensive enough" and bringing your own painful extensions into simple threads that aren't about the things you like to talk about.

But it does deserve more. No suggestion should be forbidden from being expanded in a perfectly logical way.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 13, 2013, 02:17:36 pm

Fun fact: Dwarven children do, in fact, haul. Just not as often as adult dwarves do.

So far as I can tell dwarven children only do 3 jobs:

1) they can harvest crops but not plant crops. As part of harvesting crops they may also haul the plants to a stockpile.
2) they can pick up clothing or store owned clothing items.
3) they can deconstruct constructed tiles, such as walls or floors.

Again, I'm pretty sure children do haul.
I'm pretty sure that the only reason kids don't do other work is that they can't have the labors activated. Oh, and they're lazy.

Last time you did that, the energy dissipated, and you didn't have a hand.....
So obviously according to your logic, the smart thing to do is to do it with your arm?

No no no, that was a staff. Which I grabbed.
The absolute worst that will happen is that my arm will blast itself off my shoulder. Which isn't great, but it's not worse than what I have now.