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Quote from: Rolepgeek on January 08, 2013, 08:46:39 pm

He's role playing his god. Just like you should be. I say should be not because
of your promise breaking, blatant attack, and conspiring, when you are a god of the sun

...wait, so you're saying it's out of character for me, as Goddess of the Sun, to "break promises, blatantly attack and conspire?"
Why is it ok for the god of morals and law to do those things?

It's okay for a God of Law (technically justice, which is completely different, but moving on) to not want to work with a god(dess?) who breaks oaths, as it is completely understandable for a God of Morality to refuse to attack or help attack innocents.

Speaking of the Afterlife,

I the Devil of Wealth, hereby pledge to support the Devil of the Afterlife in all matters. One plus one equals Hades.

If I can be in the judging process, I support the Afterlife idea.

Nice to know you consider me an innocent GWG

Praytell, when did I call you an innocent?

Quote from: Jbg97 on January 08, 2013, 06:25:35 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 08, 2013, 06:13:53 pm

Yeah. And, given the number of innocents on the J-Team, no chance of me turning my front on them...that...made much more sense before I typed it.

How ironic that the supposed "bad guy" is supported by nearly everyone.

and the supposed good guy has less support than the supposed evil guy!

Not ironic at all. Especially given Celestia's approach to Good and my decision not to support her...

Is Draco the godly Judge or the godly Cop? Or both?
Because I was just thinking we need someone to actually punish offending gods. Rather than resorting to badly planned conspiracies.
Draco! Next time put Jbyg on trial or something. That's totally what I meant. Yes.

The problem is, I've got minimal power (aside from seven Eladrin), almost no support at this point, and so many criminals. That was my hidden motive for trying to get everyone into a big council to decide about the Afterlife; doing so leaves us a step away from making a permanent council where I can shine.
I was trying to do things nice and orderly, then I got pushed to attack. Not wanting the "good" gods against me as well, I agreed until I realized that innocents in addition to the guilty would be punished as well.
For now I'm like the UN--I say what's right and wrong but lack the strength to enforce anything.

Wow, really LB? Don't put motivations to other people's actions. He's a god of morality. He was shelling you up until I reminded people that you had broken your promise. Usael was too, until then. He's role playing his god. Just like you should be. I say should be not because of your promise breaking, blatant attack, and conspiring, when you are a god of the sun(and were all about information and enlightenment a few turns ago), but rather because you a becoming inordinately upset.

Thanks for understanding me.
You know what, LB? You came in with the right reasons and used the wrong logic to explain my actions. There's a lot of people on the "other" side. Aside from a couple, they haven't done anything heinous. Shall I punish the many for the actions of the few? The answer, my MLP friend, is NO.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 04, 2013, 08:12:39 pm

Quote from: laularukyrumo on January 04, 2013, 06:24:52 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 04, 2013, 12:37:22 am

@GoombaGeek: Not quoting your post.
Did people actually do anything remotely like that in the 1400's? Because, in theory, an Australopithecine could have made stone knives (even with ground edges!) worked wood or something into a circle, punched out the middle, used a stock for an axle, make four wheels and two axles, laid some more sticks down on that, bound it all with sinew or vines or something, and had a cart long before any existed.
But it didn't happen, so having an Australopithecus using such a cart would be an anachronism.

I think the point he's trying to make is that such things were possible in the 1400s. Did people do such things? No, because of the dark ages. I would bet that if there wasn't a period of time where the people in charge were actively destroying knowledge itself, in all corners of the world, then having alkali metals and aluminum would not be out of the question.

I doubt it.
I highly doubt that your claims are anything but exaggeration. The Renaissance started in the 14th century, a century or two before the 1400's cutoff; surely anything that would let those 1400'sers get alkali metals would have let them do so after a century or more of Renaissance or else would have been known before that time where "the people in charge were actively destroying knowledge itself, in all corners of the world." And the cutoff isn't the 1400's in a world with no Dark Ages, it's the 1400's in our world. So, no dice there.

I would just like to point out that you are wrong. The start and spread of the Renaissance dates usually start around the collapse of the Byzantines, in 1453 AD. Most of the scientific, military and cultural advancements the renaissance was known for did not start until around the mid 1400s.

...I said 14th century...dang...I meant 1400's. My bad.

As a further note, the 1400 cutoff limit is to prevent steam punk and magitek from entering the game, even though gunpowder, cannons, and petards are already in heavy use before this time. Think of the 1400s as an 'atmospheric cutoff' as opposed to a hard technology limit. So, a compound bow (1966 AD) could easily have been made in the 1400s, but no one thought up the idea because of the gun being made more effective in between those times. Likewise, steam ducks such as the ones in the bathhouses of Rome (~300 AD) may have been around, but they may not fit into the style of DF.

Do alkali metals somehow fit well enough into a fantasy world like DF's despite not being discovered for centuries after the hard cutoff?

Some hides already have special properties. Dragonhide is fire proof, IIRC. All other leather will readily burn.
However so far as I can tell all leather items have the same protective value, which seems a bit silly. A piece of armor made from cow leather and a piece of armor made from dragonhide should be vastly different in terms of protective value.

Which is exactly the problem. Pretty much only fireproof creatures have differing leather. Cat leather shouldn't protect as much as cow leather shouldn't protect as much as hippo hide shouldn't protect as much as dragonhide. Although about that last one...

Dragonhide should be better than steel. Lighter than steel, yet it should be more protective than steel when made into armor. Dragonhide or dragonscale armor is pretty much the pinnacle of armor in any fantasy setting. If skin/leather had different strengths then that would be quite interesting. A creature with a stronger hide would produce better armor.

...in D&D (one of the archetypal fantasy games, the first RPG, inspiration for much of fantasy, etc etc), dragonhide isn't any better than armor, just lighter and druid-friendly. And you could potentially save that red dragonhide armor when the gold dragon incinerated you.
Oh, and you can't make dragonhide anything yet.

Thiner hide should more luxurious, while not being worth any extra. Just give a better thought. Also, whose to say that small fantasy creature might not have tough hides?

Who's to say indeed? But cats aren't fantasy creatures...nor are cows...or dogs...or rabbits...

I think dragons do need a significant buff. In game a dragon can be easily slain by a ranged weapons. Crossbow bolts cause pain, and enough pain will knock the dragon out. An unconscious dragon is a dead dragon. Even wooden bolts can cause enough pain to knock a dragon out, then you just need one dwarf with an axe to finish the dragon off. Dragons also bleed, and so can be easily slain by death of a thousand cuts.
I'd much prefer a dragon that is a serious threat. A dragon should be fearsome, rather than just a case of letting the recruit marksdwarves handle it.

Give them magic greater than a mere wizard's, hide like armor, and the ability to rain their deadly blows on all around them, and intelligence past that of the smartest men (plus perhaps longer range with their fire), they'll be much scarier...right now they're giant firebreathing aligators.

Could work, needs some more refinement, and been suggested before.
(Often as a patch to some other suggestion, but sometimes as a separate one.)

Could there be a PC version?

Quote from: Jbg97 on January 08, 2013, 06:09:11 pm

Quote from: Urist McBeanie on January 08, 2013, 06:06:00 pm

The orcs have no death fields, send a few experimental firejackets after them. If they are successful, send more.

No! The orcs are outside fighting the skeletons, we need them alive until the greater threat is gone.

Let them fight, skeletons are worse to deal with while orcs are easy for us.

Let them fight, while we fight the skellies as well. This death god made Hitler's blunder...

Equip Afigi. Follow the trail.
"Do all bandits have such nice toys?"

Ask for directions to the Medokalaam Temple. Go there. Pray before I get within sight of it.