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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 06, 2013, 10:56:52 am

Quote from: Pnx on January 06, 2013, 12:55:39 am

Well jewellery is a really popular commodity currency, it's light, it's common, and you can wear it around to keep it safe/show off your wealth. So I suppose he could run around collect necklaces and such, though collecting rings might be a bit of an issue if you don't make him blue and really good at rolling around at high speeds.

Jewelry isn't a commodity. Not every necklace is worth the same; not every pearl necklace is worth the same; etc. There are too many differences between examples of jewelry for that to work. It's a good store of value, and in certain circumstances a decent medium of exchange, but a worthless unit of account.

Not commodity, just money then? Or trade medium?

Money doesn't work if it's a craptastic unit of account. I can't say that my Masterwork Club is worth two necklaces, because some necklaces are worth more than others. However, I can say that my Handmade Robust Walking Stick is worth two dollars because every dollar is the same.
Jewelry and the like are okay trade items, but terrible currency.
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Adios.

A-duh. Reread that last post, the bit about why we can't use the resources of the gas giants...

3. In Dwarf mode - opportunity develop without automatic pause.

For this, do you mean being able to be in the 'd' or 'k' or whatever menu without being paused? I'd imagine that there would need to be some important rewrites to make sure those menus were correct even as DF was running.


As for #2, if you could do that the manager would be darn near obsolete.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 06, 2013, 12:31:08 pm

Quote from: Adrian on January 06, 2013, 12:00:37 pm

Interesting, yes.
And it would also mean that we wouldn't need multi-tile creatures anymore, since we can just scale dragons to their true size.

I don't follow.

From my reading (and without re-reviewing the pre-necro parts of the thread in working out the latest thought developments), if a dragon was a D next to a c kitten, no longer constrained to a Curses-esque character grid.

...How would that work AT ALL with no multitile creatures?

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But the rewrites...
Dwarf Fortress' entire everything is designed around the idea that everything takes up the same amount of space.

Wagons, workshops, buildings in general, terrain features, and next update, trees. Oh, and Toady's said he's planning multi-tile creatures.

Wagons as multi-tile creatures are a dead-end idea, from what I understand of what Toady has written (although I don't know if I have the full info on this).  Future multi-tile creatures, if any, would be done differently.  Perhaps Wagons will then be re-written for the 'new style' multi-tiling.

Wagons as creatures is dead-end; while future multi-tile creatures will be different, they'll still be, you know, multiple tiles.

All the rest is based on either fixed templates of unit components (workshops, four templates each for the directionisable siege engines) or pseudorandom permutations of tile-cubed units (vector paths between nodes for roads, varying cuboidal structures or subterranean rooms with procedural feature emplacement within them and their walls, flood-fill and limited-flood-filling pastings, according to what and where it is.  But still the units take up the same space.

Okay, but you said that EVERYTHING takes up the same place.
And...siege engines and other buildings still take up multiple tiles. A screw pump is a screw pump, not two divisible halves of a screw pump.

Even the multi-tile trees are just procedurally 'grown' using the basic units, from what I have seen.  (I'm not disparaging them for this, in fact I quite like what has been done to do this, it probably has needed quite a bit of tuning to get it looking right, and is probably going to be further perfected before release.)

They are still multiple tiles.
By this time, I'm certain I have no idea what you're saying.

The rest of what you wrote provided no new epiphanies, so I'll wait for you to explain some more before commenting.

You can definitely move through space as well as time, yeah. However, I'm going to have to veto the sidewinder ability. This is going to be hard enough to keep track of without trying to work with even more alternate universes.

Aw. Let me rethink this a bit...

EDIT: Can we have negative values for some stats? Or other ways of having negative points added?

Pluto is a dwarf planet. You can't mine it. You monster.

Seriously, how the hell did we choose these morons? Elves are one thing, but complete MORONS is another. "There might be life on Jupiter in a few billion years!" Ugh.

Turn Derm into Furtaka