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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (Un)Holy Powers(OOC)
« on: January 03, 2013, 12:02:14 am »
Can't I just spread disease unto your enemies, I can't replace 2500 people.... That's scapheap's job
That's bribery. That might count as penance, but not restitution. You could always, say, pay Scapheap a certain amount of energy to replace the 2,500 people...or find some method in your power to try and return the equivalent of 2,500 people to the mortals. Remember, I can be flexible--if you come up with a way for a disease to be "worth" the lives of 2,500 people, I'd accept that as restitution (assuming I thought the reasoning was valid).

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My turn involves making a person learn about medicine that halts spread of the plague
That's a good bit of penance. More is ideal, but stopping your own disease and thereby depriving you of power shows remorse at least.

Don't be too harsh, Greatwyrm. Only about 60-80% of those deaths were from disease.
Oh...really? What were all the other deaths-in-excess-of-births from?


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FINALLY, a last word of advice for those planning; as should be clear, your actions that are meant to gain or destroy worship, take place in the following turn for things like followers, and the populations will grow at 10% per turn. Because I think a little less than 1% per year sounds about right for a horrible medieval time full of death and plague and war.
Population growth rates can be 3-4% in rural nations, IIRC, but of course we're a bit better off than they were.

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Jebyg, calm down. They are autonomous. But their fragile bodies cannot support that much divine power without Ascending. Right now, they're perfectly fine and badass and powerful. In my mind, they're each about as powerful as an Eladrin, and there are 20 of them, each with a miniature army(consisting of around a few dozen people, with how small the world is, of course).
Which reminds me. About how many normal humans (assuming average levels of skill and armament) could one of the Eladrin attack and expect to defeat?
Also, I didn't specify, but how are they on mortality and reproduction?

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Another final thing( :p ), diseases can affect gods.
...Oh crap.

Jbg wants to incite holy war by upgrading his warbands against fear/disease
I'm trying to corrupt humans before killing many of them off
GWG wants to fight against chaos disorder and disease, while killing off evil in the world
that's what is the summary
Not entirely true, for me at least.
General idea's the same, but I'm more trying to remove evil rather than kill it. There's a difference--removal allows for conversion.

And why are you guys so good at ninjaing?

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (Un)Holy Powers(OOC)
« on: January 02, 2013, 11:42:34 pm »
So wait, now I'm stuck with 20 angels of Violence that are leading warbands of humans across the globe and conquering all they can find... That fucks everything up.
Oh crap...let's see, what fraction of an angel did I calculate for my Eladrin?
Really, this is a good thing for you, it fucks over my plans.
Depending on where the warbands go, it could f*** up any and all of our plans.

What kind of penance we talking about??
Something to show you are sorry and meant it, basically.
Also restitution. Which means providing the equivalent of the thousands of lives you took, plus some. I'm willing to be more flexible if the penance is excellent.

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Still want to know about unarmed 1v1 Normal carrier vs Eladrin
They always carry those damned steel weapons!
Why do you think I armed my troops with them? Because they're about the only things I have that will be able to deal with immortals for a while...

I'd really like to post a turn for Celestia, but I'm still waiting for a response regarding her background having been retconned.

Rolepgeek, would you check your inbox please?
Hey, I'm accepting the fact that my entire plan, carefully laid out, making sure to never go against anything previously said, was completely fucked. You can accept the goddamn fact that you possesed the sun, GET. OVER. IT.
A bit harsh, but I can't complain. I've probably done worse.
Also, I agree with the sentiment. Especially because it's kinda moronic that the humans would have lived without a sun for We know how long before Celestia came along...

Have this mortal follow in the path of this surge of warfare, Resurrection as he goes. Have him amass a following of whatever humans he can find with weak moral compasses, a lust for knowledge, and an ego the size of a mountain.
Probably going to be the biggest army on the planet...Oh, wait, lust for KNOWLEDGE. Smallest.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Lordship: A Suggestion Game
« on: January 02, 2013, 11:25:49 pm »
Those layabouts? Divide them into two groups.

One works on improving the farms, which are evidently run-down.
The other works on erecting some buildings near the dock, including a larger house for us and some sort of inn.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: Neverending Adventure: Dungeon Crawling Time!
« on: January 02, 2013, 11:20:15 pm »
"Ah...if I had the right spells maybe. As-is..."
Cast Magic Lantern as well.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (Un)Holy Powers(OOC)
« on: January 02, 2013, 11:18:16 pm »
So wait, now I'm stuck with 20 angels of Violence that are leading warbands of humans across the globe and conquering all they can find... That fucks everything up.
Oh crap...let's see, what fraction of an angel did I calculate for my Eladrin?

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No, keep the yacht. Sail it to the Eastern Hemisphere and hire guards for it.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (Un)Holy Powers(OOC)
« on: January 02, 2013, 11:13:50 pm »
The population will recover!
And you got some pretty angry people, with a pretty nice race out of the plague.
And they are determined!
I could be either a great ally or a great threat....
What can easily destroy an army?
Disease can cripple armies, and most don't make people's heads explode randomly!
As it so happens, you killed a quarter of the world's population. I would have made the Eladrin regardless, or something like them.
Oh, if you show penance and some kind of attempt at restitution, I'll be willing to pardon you. Show me some examples--or at least one--of each, then we'll talk.

...Mmm, Balrog-y goodness.
I was planning on joining as a devil(although not a "chaotic evil lol dead humans" kind.)
Glad to hear it. Want to help me by not being a jerk and such?
Fine, 5-10 regular humans per non-war imp. So, 5-10 times 120-180 is 600-1800 regular humans per non-war god.
15-20 regular humans per war imp means about 1200-3600 humans per god of war. Since I'm a god of war and i'm imparting a portion of my power (about a tenth total) to each of my 20 champions that means each champion and their base power can kill 1.2-2 imps. Damn.
One slight problem with your math...
A balrog is on par with a Fae Courtier. It probably takes more like 200 normal humans to kill a balrog, minimum. ((Assuming a D&D balor is about as strong as a LotR balrog, and that the "average humans" are roughly on par with 1st-level adventurers, the ratio is probably closer to several hundred or a thousand humans). Let's assume 300, for a nice round number. That's about 100 humans to an imp, or 75 to a lesser fae. Even if it only takes 100 humans to overpower a balrog, that's several thousand humans to kill a greater god.
What?! 200 humans for that one thing from LotR? No, that thing would take 15-20 warriors, 30 at the most.
Look at the size of the balrog, it is maybe 5-6 times the size of a human male. 15-20 warriors can defeat one albeit suffering casualties, 30 would definitely kill one. 200 warriors for just 1 balrog at the least? That shit is cray.
Balrogs have a lot more than size and strength on their side. They've got magic, they've got a flaming whip as thick as your arm, they've got unearthly levels of size and strength. They're not even really flesh and blood, IIRC. And it depends on skill. 15-30 warriors of masterful skill? Sure. 15-30 normal human warriors? Yeah, right. They'd be dead before they caused any significant harm. And Aragorns, Gimlis, and Legoli aren't a dime a dozen, especially with a world population of 10,000 maybe 8,000. Probably at least half are farmers and other peasants, while most of the rest are craftsmen and other experts. Probably not more than a thousand or maybe 1,500 soliders in the world. If the 20 best warriors in the world gathered to kill a balrog? Sure, it's doomed. 20 random footsmen? Not so much.

Don't forget. I am the GM. I'm here specifically to prevent things like Jebyg taking 'advantage' of the system. If he's going to imbue them with a portion of his power, that means he's going to pay higher upkeep. Also, it won't be a human anymore. Probably 'morph' into a angel or somesuch. Still useful though. Similarly, violence is not equal with battle or war, since it's more broad.
Alright, thanks.

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You can have multiple angels and demons, guys. Only one prophet though, which is the real reason I killed off two of them. Laws of divine physics.
Wait, which two died again?

Can devils get prophets??
They can probably fake them.

Seriously, why are you guys soo good at ninjaing?

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DF Suggestions / Re: Alkali Metals
« on: January 02, 2013, 11:02:41 pm »
How do you get alkali metals?

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Hm. I guess that makes more sense. But it might be more efficient to learn how to approach the problem from multiple perspectives.
How does it make sense that you need to learn how to carve pretty pictures in walls or make stone rings to make great stone furniture?

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...wait, the problem is just that somebody connected us to the school blowing up?

*shrug*

Buy off the bank manager and have him claim it was a clerical error, then resign on national tv. Then contact the attorney general saying we were on a sea voyage at the time and this is the first we've heard of it. Agree to cooperate fully, and buy off anyone who contradicts our story.

Donate a plot of land, a building and operating costs for a year to whichever governmental organization is responsible for the situation. Don't sign the check until we're cleared of all charges.
+1

And don't get into a war with the US. We have a billion dollars and a crappy warship. They have trillions of dollars, a powerful navy (with these ships that aircraft land on, and ones that go under the water), and an entire country of taxpayers behind them.

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You won't have much choice once I kill your last units...

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (Un)Holy Powers(OOC)
« on: January 02, 2013, 10:56:28 pm »
...Mmm, Balrog-y goodness.
I was planning on joining as a devil(although not a "chaotic evil lol dead humans" kind.)
Glad to hear it. Want to help me by not being a jerk and such?

Fine, 5-10 regular humans per non-war imp. So, 5-10 times 120-180 is 600-1800 regular humans per non-war god.
15-20 regular humans per war imp means about 1200-3600 humans per god of war. Since I'm a god of war and i'm imparting a portion of my power (about a tenth total) to each of my 20 champions that means each champion and their base power can kill 1.2-2 imps. Damn.
One slight problem with your math...
A balrog is on par with a Fae Courtier. It probably takes more like 200 normal humans to kill a balrog, minimum. ((Assuming a D&D balor is about as strong as a LotR balrog, and that the "average humans" are roughly on par with 1st-level adventurers, the ratio is probably closer to several hundred or a thousand humans). Let's assume 300, for a nice round number. That's about 100 humans to an imp, or 75 to a lesser fae. Even if it only takes 100 humans to overpower a balrog, that's several thousand humans to kill a greater god.

The Balrog an...oh my.
This is a couple leagues higher than I thought.
Where would a creature like the D&D, CR 2 imp fit in?
least fae, probably.
A balrog is about a faery courtier. It takes a party of four Lesser Fae to defeat a faery courtier. That's some high-level imps...

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Also, would you mind having your eladrin spread word of my town as a safe haven? Ther'll be a temple for you in the turn after this one if you do.(and if you accept I physically cannot go back on this)
Sure! Can you give me a description to follow?

But if the balrog was taken down by gandalf, a Human magic user, magic users screw everything up......
40-60 gandalfs to kill a GG
Remember that Gandalf was one of the most powerful magic users in the world (in addition to being a maiar).
Oh, and Gandalf was taken down with the balrog. That's 40-60 archmages on a suicide mission.

So he will explode from too much power, and his soul will ascend to the strength of a god, then usurp your throne??
A: Exploding from too much power is bullshit.
B: His power (when Carolus comes about) is a direct function of my power, it would take 11 of him to usurp me.
Just to point out...any kind of power has Bad Things happen when you put too much of it through/into too weak/small of a vessel. Exploding per se? Maybe a bit melodramatic, but something.

So he will explode from too much power, and his soul will ascend to the strength of a god, then usurp your throne??
A: Exploding from too much power is bullshit.
B: His power (when Carolus comes about) is a direct function of my power, it would take 11 of him to usurp me.
it is the GMs decision on what will happen to his soul, hell, the power of the god of madness might crush his tiny mortal mind until nothing is left, turning him into an angel of chaos,madness
Which, the war which started from me taking actions against you from starting that massive plague?

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That sounds like fun.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: The Art of Minimalism V: No Derming/Furtakaing
« on: January 02, 2013, 10:38:06 pm »
Just so everyone knows...there's already a waterfall leading from the ocean to the caverns, with the grand hall in the middle. The fortress doesn't seem to be in danger of flooding.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Titan/Forgotten Beast Quality
« on: January 02, 2013, 10:36:29 pm »
The statue would be a good idea, and one with precedence (bronze colossi).

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