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Alright...I have a tetrahedron which should work as a planet. I also have my dragons. Anyone else need energy for a planet or race?

Where should we draw the energy for these additional races and planets, as well as the central world and such, from? Remember, the past is an option. Not a great one, but an option. (Just let me handle the time-screwing-around-with unless you need energy now or don't trust me.)

No, foobi are Lust Demons.
Lust is a useful tool, but not a required one.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 29, 2012, 11:08:41 am

What do Diggles do?

1 slashing and 2 piercing damage.

...So, they're basically boring, average, underdefined mooks?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 29, 2012, 11:13:38 am

planned and has been suggested a lot.

You know you are turning into "that guy", right?

Footkerchief isn't doing it, and I don't mind being seen as a jerk as much as some people.

Also, every time i use the search function i get a 504 Gateway Timeout. So you shouldn't be so fast as to assume people don't search. They might just not be able to.

That stinks. Strike that comment off of the "I still mean it" list. Because that's the only way to phrase that idea that makes sense.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 28, 2012, 09:15:40 pm

Notice two things about Medusa and the basilisks and such.
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2. There are ways around them, like peripheral vision, mirrors, closing your eyes/blindfolding yourself when you approach where the gorgons live...

Then just because someone wants Gorgons in dwarf fort, completely new game mechanics will need to be added to keep them from being game breakers.
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Gaze attacks are a part of many a fantasy beast. They'll probably be added eventually anyway.

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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 28, 2012, 09:15:40 pm

Well, first off: If elves aren't snobbishly superior PETA/hippies to the max, are they elves? They sure can be. DF's elves are different, why not its wendigoes? In addition, other games have wendigoes which aren't created by cannibalism (D&D and Shadowrun come to mind), so do they also not have wendigoes?
Finally, just make an explanation and apply its effects across the board. For instance, elves and goblins might be filled with natural spirits already, which renders them immune to wendigoism and certain other curses.

I don't know much about D&D, so i looked Wendigoes up on DandDwiki.
"Wendigos are not a true race. Rather, they are creatures that have been resorted to cannibalism to survive."

I seem to recall that in 3.5, they needed to perform a ritual thingy involving some kind of immoral acts, of which cannibalism was a possibility but neither sufficient (without a wendigo) nor required.

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And i'm afraid that if we start making up explanations to account for why X can't by Y, Dwarf Fortress' lore is going to be strung together by plotholes and explanations.

Explanations, yes. Plotholes? Only if done crappily.
Explanations are useful, but not needed. Just apply the consequences and have the reason.

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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 28, 2012, 09:15:40 pm

Well, you can argue the same about everything. Elves are cannibals? They're just tall gnomes. Dragons don't fly? They're just weird titans. Apes can't use crude tools? They're just semi-erect deer.

Now you're just trolling.

How? I'm repeating your argument, but with variations on the creature.
Elves don't eat people outside of DF--in fact, they're usually vegetarians.
Dragons almost always fly.
Apes are most notable for their intelligence and tool use.

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But like i said: "Wendigoes wouldn't be Wendigoes if they didn't have their origin in cannibalism".

Why not? Must basilisks result from a rooster incubating a snake egg? Do centaurs need to come from carnal knowledge with livestock? ...Okay, that may have crossed a line, but you get my point.

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While typing this i was browsing Wikipedia's entry on comparative mythology of Dragons, and one line in particular struck me:

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It has been speculated that accounts of spitting cobras may be the origin of the myths of fire-breathing dragons.

Why can't Dwarf Fortress make it's own legendary creatures? Like a Forgotten Beast, but instead of a Forgotten Beast it'd be a Rarely-Documented Beast.
The game could take an animal, twist it into something horrible, give it something special like acid blood or spitting poison, let it loose on the countryside and have the people that survive encountering it retell their stories.

Well, first off, that's a bit beside the point; second off, I have no problem with that; third off, isn't thay basically what FBs and titans are?; finally, how does it relate to this topic? Seriously.

Quote from: Mayama on December 29, 2012, 01:25:28 pm

Please dont use D&D as research material for mythological creatures like medusa or wendigo's, its not quite historical correct

Historically correct isn't the right word, but I wasn't using it as a source of info on wendigoes, but on other ways wendigoes have been depicted. Which don't always involve cannibalism.

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I dont really like a mythical beast sponsorship drive because i like how toady creates his creatures. Sure the night creatures and clowns share some similarity with myth's of our world but they are unique. Thats something I really like in dwarf fortress, that the fantasy setting is not boring and generic. I dont think it would really fit to add hardcoded/predefined creatures to the game. If it randomly generates something similar to a real world mythological beast it would be awesome but implementing for example real myth stuff like wendigos, that behave like wendigos and are named wendigos doesnt feel right.

Toady has also made things like dragons and hydras and harpies, which are mythical beasts, as well as modified D&D monsters like hungry heads and voracious cave crawlers. Not to mention the animalmen...

Set off some direction the others aren't. Hope to find more tolerant individuals.

((FYI, I'm not 100% metal. Just some bits of me are.))

"We also have the elf."

Attempt to knock on the door and make a halfway decent impression on the inhabitants.