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Can some people please stop acting like Alice has had a horrible curse inflicted on her that will forever ruin her life and any chance she has at happiness? 

No I can't. She may be happy or she may commit suicide it depends on a many factors, but it will be hard to her to get  happy soon
It's not a curse, but it's not good enough and have too many drawbacks

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We didn't punish Alice, we gave her a gift.  Maybe not the gift everyone wanted for her, hell maybe not even the gift she wanted most but in my eyes and probably in the eyes of our character it was a great and valuable gift.

In my eyes consorts are inferior beings (they are better than mortals, but worse than true night trolls, doomed to be a second class citizens in the night troll society due to oblivious reasons. They don't get gifts, they can't convert... Can't choose gender of their kids. And maybe can have sons from only one male)

Our character may have another views and respect consorts as equals, but future night trolls will not be that kind.

Gift is not bad but it's not even remotely close to the first gift or the left stone one. Flying and one time resurrect aren't superpowers.
Maybe she got some bonuses to fire magic and birds empathy but I'd not count on that
The only really good thing we gave to her is immortality , but any gift would achieve that

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She has a very long time to grow in harmony with her gift and she has a lot more opportunity for experiencing life now than she would have had as a mortal human.

And still her form is very limiting. It's way more limiting than ours or even Gwen's
She'll have to switch her lifestyle very dramatically forever. Other gifts were not that limiting, and the left stone could only boost her lifestyle

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Alice has a long time to find that special someone and all the better if we work our way in there.

And there are problem that if Alice will ever switch orientation and want to have kids not from us... she will be unable to

IC, I view decision to convert Alice with that gift as a partial betrayal because of our greed. We didn't give the best gift for her, only because we hope for a better candidate (Quite unlikely event in fact)

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I don't agree with all of your arguments (for instance, flying is kinda the quintessential superpower), but I agree with your conclusion. If Alice wasn't good enough for the left stone, who was?

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Did Rox even know about it?
It's entirely possible that I forgot about that if she did.

She was the one who told us about it

Oh. Thanks.

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I thought he already knew...

He threw Alice in torturing device for being a lesbian... How do you think, what would he do with someone who "seduced" his little daughter?
He didn't even knows that we know that Alice is a lesbian and I think it would we better if that will stay the same

I thought it was the relationship with Rox that got her tossed into the torture room.

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Aren't most of our arguments for converting Rox so the two of them can stay together? Wouldn't this affect their feelings towards us and each other?

That will affect. In some unpredictable way.

Bright side, if we explain our logic to Alice, she won't feel betrayed.
Theoretically.

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Alice is a lesbian, it was never an issue for her. I thought Rox was, too?

Pure homosexuality is very rare for women.

Eternity is a long enough time to switch

Alice is 16 year old... that's only the beginning of sexuality.

It may be only result of teenager rebelliousness against social norms

Consorts are changed by conversion, some instincts are added. I am sure that if turn on any gift near Alice she will do whatever is needed for mating( that's a form of a rape, but still)

I see no reasons to assume that Rox is a lesbian and not a bi

Alice has mentioned being disgusted by...some aspect or other of heterosexual relationships, I don't remember the exact quote. Anyways, you could argue the same argument for all of our consorts who aren't Jimma. The only real difference is that we knew about and cared about Alice before conversion.

Quote from: Ukrainian Ranger on December 27, 2012, 01:02:18 am

I am concerned with the power of Cherlyn, problems expected

Treat her well, make her realize turning her was a blessing, and don't impregnate her until she does.

Prepare for the feast, spend time with the family, consider trying to teach Cherlyn some magic, wait for Alice, Jimma, and Rox to return.

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Yeah, that's what I meant by the "loyalty" thing.  I just feel like she might love Alice more than she loves Leghorn.

She never tried to save Alice from tortures and forced marriage. So I really doubt that

Whatever we do we shouldn't tell Foghorn about romantic affair between Rox and Alice.

I am against  converting Rox, that is bad for many reasons:

1) Foghorn
2) Weird love triangle will create problems

3) Alice may get upset that we want to raise our power and convert her love just to use for our cause. She is overprotective about Rox
4) Alice and Rox may break up (most likely they will) Considering their characters they may become fierce rivals

5) If Rox will ever fall in love with a male... she'll hate us because they will not be able to have a child ( that's true for Alice, too. But it's too late to change anything)

Can some people please stop acting like Alice has had a horrible curse inflicted on her that will forever ruin her life and any chance she has at happiness?  We didn't punish Alice, we gave her a gift.  Maybe not the gift everyone wanted for her, hell maybe not even the gift she wanted most but in my eyes and probably in the eyes of our character it was a great and valuable gift.  We took her in when her own father acted like he didn't want her and we have been a very good friend in my honest opinion.  Sure Alice has to overcome the temporary hurdle of unfamiliarity with her body but we took away her fears, gave her  power and immortality barring death by violence.  She has a very long time to grow in harmony with her gift and she has a lot more opportunity for experiencing life now than she would have had as a mortal human.  If Rox and Alice really love each other, then they will find a way to make things work and if not then they never really loved each other in the first place.  Alice has a long time to find that special someone and all the better if we work our way in there.
Sorry if that seemed like a rant.  Don't know why it even bothers me but I just feel like we did what most of us felt was right at the time but it's never enough if some people don't get what they feel is right.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 26, 2012, 07:33:44 pm

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Will the mages have to constantly meditate in their rooms? Does the whole fort have to pray for the mages? Will their be some ritual or blood sacrifice? Magic nails are fine if the sacrifice was a cup of water but if they had to sacrifice a legendary miner and spend the chanting and praying just cut their nails it doesn't seem worth it.

...Now you're just making up problems.

Someone's using their imagination in a suggestion thread? Call the Internet police!