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Quote from: darklord92 on December 24, 2012, 01:18:45 pm

The fact is toggling between two speeds would be far too drastic. hence why i ony proposed to lengthen the time of a df day and not the actions within it keeping them the current speed they are.

Tbh it wouldn't really hurt the game if some of the crafting etc got slowed down a bit, since the travel distance is still the largest factor pretty much, and wouldn't be affected by a change of the calendar time. I'd rather say it'd be a welcome bonus, feels kind of odd when a dwarf can carve a masterwork throne in just a few seconds

At 100 FPS, a few seconds is 300-400 frames, and as each frame is about...five minutes?...in fortress mode, those seconds would be hours.

from the wiki 1 frame in for mode is 1.2 minutes within the game(so your dwarfs take 1.2 minutes to travel 1 tile) vs adventure modes 1 tile a an ingame second. as dwarfs travel exactly once a frame ( 1000/(100+speed of creature) dwarfs having 900 speed.

Alright, then those few seconds are about 1.2*350=420 minutes, or 7 hours. A completely reasonable amount of time to make a chair in.

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First off, creatures far away or lower down can still hurt creatures if they have a ranged attack of any kind, or if they are a necromancer. Having "combat mode" end when creatures are outside X range would screw things up with bowgoblins,
Second off, below "bridges" isn't a very good reason for a creature not to scare a dwarf.
Badgers would be even more of an annoyance than they are now.
The biggest issue that springs to mind is a non-threatening creature not becoming threatening until it attacks something.

As I said, crisis mode would start whenever a dwarf panicks right now. It's just the player that has the option to designate a creature or a zone as non-threatening, if on occasion there's a straggler or a wandering animal somewhere around the fortress that he decides is not dangerous and he can't be bothered to send a squad to dispatch it (creatures down cliffs, a goblin bleeding to death, a room with wild animals,...).

And what happens when a "non-threatening" creature escapes?[/qupte]Nothing, until it actually bites someone. Then the "non-threatening" label is removed. An alternative (or complement) is to define a non-threatening zone, so that creatures leaving the zone would be considered dangerous again.

Oh, so dwarves don't react to a "non-threatening" forgotten beast that just crawled up the well until it attacks? Great.

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How does DF tell what a "flood" is? It's just flowing water to the game.

It allows a rewrite of the flooding code that makes water actually flood instead of creep like jelly. When that has happened, quantity is a measure for dangerousness. But that's optional.

Okay. Best-case scenario, the game goes into Crisis Mode whenever water flows somewhere new. Worst-case scenario, waterfalls cause constant Crisis Mode. Yay.

All depends on the water flow code rewrite.

Explain a difference between a flood and a cistern filling.

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Why would cave-ins cause Crisis Mode to engage? Even IRL, cave-ins are over in seconds.

Agreed, it wouldn't make a difference for cave-ins. It could be useful for fire though.

Glad you can admit you were wrong.

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How about if you're not supposed to know about a combat, like assassinations, thieves dispatching solitary dwarves, vampires, etc?

These actions don't cause alarm because they're sneaky, and therefore wouldn't trigger crisis mode. I'm sure Toady has a framework for actions that he wants to hide from the player anyway.

But they require combat, which would have to be done in non-crisis mode...

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Most of those don't really exist at the moment, but they're all supposed to, and it's short-sighted to hamstring future development.

One could say that for every single suggestion ever made.

Hardly so. Few suggestions mesh worse with future developments than with current DF.

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What about tantrum spirals? Would tantruming dwarves trigger Crisis Mode? Wouldn't this make tantrum spirals worse because they make the game take way longer?

It all depends on how it's coded, actually: fistfights aren't generally considered hostile action, and dwarves that show their emotions with their fists aren't marked as site enemy; nor do other dwarves run away from tantruming dwarves (only berserk ones). So apparently it won't trigger.

Again, we meet the issue of dangerous creatures being ignored until it's too late.

And if it does, it would actually be better: the tantrum spiral takes just as much playing time, but less game time: it will be over in a day or two on the calendar (for a limited tantrum). So your dwarves can vent, but it doesn't take a whole season of lost productivity.

On the other hand, it also makes corrective methods (like putting up walls between groups and the like) effectively impossible.

Give elf permission to punish Red Mage with anything up to BUT NOT INCLUDING death, maiming, or torture.
Execute Diplomacy with elf.

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Quote from: misko27 on December 24, 2012, 08:14:11 pm

Hargle flarg, I know, I'm so sorry guys. I'm VERY Busy. I'll See if I can squeak one in, else tommorrow.

AID ACTION

IMPEDE ACTION.
Take a couple days off, misko.

Why do you want to impede Misko's work? Do you WANT him to get fired or something?

IMPEDE THE IMPEDE.

No, he deserves a break!
IMPEDE IMPEDING OF IMPEDIMENT.

IMPEDE IMPEDING OF MY IMPEDIMENT.

No! He must work like a good slave to capitalism!

Have a heart, it's Christmas!
Impede impediment which impeded my impediment!

(By the way, has anyone noticed that Santa and Satan are anagrams)

Has anyone NOT noticed?

Triple spin kick reality!

[1] You lose a couple legs.

Respawn thinking of a shield.
Using Miskbow, rain death upon the enemy of Nylarthotep.

[6] It's a laser shield which burns off your arm, preventing you from using bows...

Throw Yandere in the machine

[3] She becomes tsundere instead. It's an improvement...

RESPAWN, SERVE NYARLATHOTEP AS HIS CHAMPION

You have a [4] book. The position of Champion of Nyarlothotep is in contest!

Respawn thinking of N2 missiles.

[6] They explode, causing massive devastation. Respawn?

throw random objects into machine

You toss your Medusa head, the weapon?, the squirt gun, and the voodoo die into the machine. [5+1] Out comes a pistol-looking thing.

If alive, fight Nayarlahotep's champion. If respawning is needed, respawn and serve as the Die's champion.

You respawn with [3+1] a rifle.

Co-GM Turn:
Need actions for The Die, Nyarlothotep, Furtaka's tsundere.

Start a program by which the souls of the dead generate profit. Maybe outsourcing. Imagine, advertising designed by Michelangelo and phones answered by...someone cheap!
Request promotion into a management position.

"I'll go. What is the mission, sir?"

GM: Stop berating self!
Gold Diamond: Head towards birds. Pterodactyls?