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Pfff... That's tiring. No more min\maxing and real world ethics discussion from me.  Only ideas that would really come from a head of the character (As I see him, of cause) story deserves that

Our character isn't amoral.
Besides, locking a newly transformed Alice into a room with a man would probably ruin our relationship with her, making her a less valuable ally, and might not create a useful child...and if it did, it would probably resent us, leading to personal peril and waste of night troll lives. Pragmatic enough for ya?

I recommend that Ukrainian Ranger be barred from voting due to an excessive requirement for KY jelly, an inability to stop talking about converting Alice and generally being disruptive. All in favour say 'Aye'.

Aye.
Nothing personal, but when you're arguing that forcing a lesbian to engage in coitus with a male isn't rape, and imply that the PC should act amoral...bye.

Agreed.

Could someone list all the ideas that have been suggested?

Why worry about that now?
Make like a major software developer and patch on bugfixes later.
Or, make like a good software developer and make sure it works well for its intended purposes before release.

*yawns*

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Not soon =/= Never

Not used gift = no benefit
used gift = benefits NOW
It's like cash, you need to invest it to make it useful... having it in your pockets will give you nothing good

On the other hand, keeping it in your pockets lets you invest it in something better later...and Alice plus the gifts we have now isn't a good investment.

Night trolls aren't humans, impregnation is not random. It's conscious act. I don't get all that buzz about homosexuality. Amount of children isn't dependent from pleasure... Nor from sex frequency. It's dependent on desire to have children. And we know nothing about Alice's views on childbirth.

So? If Alice views intercourse with males the way a heterosexual male would, give or take a bit, that's a lot less baby trolls. Heterosexual night troll means more children. Maybe not a lot more, but we aren't in a position to gamble on the lives of future night trolls...nor are we desperate enough that we need to convert whoever happens to be in our tower right now.

I never proposed to convert Alice without getting agreement first and explaining what her life is going to be. If she say - I don't want to have any children or It's so disgusting to be with man that I'll not do it even for childbirth or I don't care about your race... Fine. We unlucky and lost an opportunity. And should deal with problem how to not convert and not piss her father
But you  all want to pass an opportunity without even trying to... because she may be too lesbian to make babies.

Well, I still say that we should stick to our "No gift is appropriate" line until we, you know, have a gift that compliments Alice's ability instead of a cool gift that will probably be partly wasted on Alice.

I made a small list why Alice may accept that kind of life, no one cared to comment

Mind repeating it? Only list I remember had an extensive counter-analysis posted before I could.

It's remind me Gwen, when you, Wyrm, said something like "who needs random rancher's wife. Let's spend our valuable gift on some queen"

Indeed.
Difference: Gifts are less scarce than I thought they were. If Alices turn out not to be as scarce as they seem to be, I'll eat my avatar.
We have one, count her ONE Alice. I'm willing to bet that we'll only ever get one gift letting us make a female night troll, too. Let's not force two super-scarce resources into a suboptimal package. Wait until we have a better potential mate, and a better gift for Alice.

Sweet Azura, are we really still talking about this? This has been in debate for like 30 pages minimum, and nothing has changed, let's move on to something more constructive.

One change: The debate is now using a unique gift of exceptional power on Alice, who won't be able to use it to its full potential.

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OH GUYS! I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT BOX.
When Foghorn's other daughter first saw us she thought we might be a bogeyman, why would she make that assumption?
We were talking with Foghorn some time ago, and as he dozed off he said that the local bogeyman havn't been seen in decades, that Phyrost claimed to have sealed them away in something.
We know Foghorn desperately want's the lockbox that we have, and it's clearly magical, not to mention extraordinarily heavy.
Theory: inside is contained an extra-dimensional space, with all of the Local Bogeymen inside.

So... like Pandora's Box, but Phyros'?
Sweet.  Let's open that sucker up.

Yeah, not like we weren't trying before we had a guess...
Of course, that assumes that Foghorn wants to release the bogeymen. Why would he do that? I'm guessing it's at least one magic item, probably more, which is even more reason to open it.

Still, if it was bogeymen...minions?

Ninja'd.

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You are saying that homosexuality comes on a fine spectrum.  It does not.  There is Gay, Bi, Straight, and Asexual. 

Yes, strictly gay would find sex with opposite gender disgusting.
But do you really think that all Bisexuals have equal preference  for both genders? Then in short:  lol

I tell you little secret,  many males that found homosexual sex disgusting often switch to males, when no females available (say prison) and then switch back when females become available

Irrelevant, Alice is lesbian. Unless you suggest we lock her in a room with a man and a couple gifts after converting her?

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You are saying we should send her off to be raped for us

We are having a very different understanding of the word "rape". Rape = "forced sex", not "unpleasant sex". By your logic every prostitute is raped.  She will do that on her own free will. She will choose partners, time, place, pose, duration. If she thinks that joy of having a children outweighs short disgust from sex she will do it, else - we shouldn't convert her. That's why we need to tell her about this gift and then decide

See below.

I simply can't understand why you all don't want to talk with our friend and just assume that she will disagree.
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Well, once we have "the talk," we'll probably need to decide pretty soon if we're converting her then or never. That's my intuition speaking. Let's get a gift better-suited to Alice before considering it...especially since only one guuy is for giving her this gift as opposed to saving it for someone with a confirmed maternal instinct and a high probability of passing on good gifts to her kids.

We need an update

+1

Is the title accurate in still requiring another player and if so does it matter that I only know what I've read on TV Tropes about Half-Life?

So much potential of the left stone are gonna get wasted. It's doubtful that we'll find a suitable female for that anytime soon, most likely we'll need to spend it to make a baby girl or keep it in storage forever

Not soon =/= Never
We can't die from old age, so if we avoid fights that would end badly we'll be fine.

Yep, Yep. I know, lesbians can't have babies no matter what.

They sure won't have as many as heterosexuals. Not like we're the last of our kind and need to repopulate our race...huh, what's that in the title?

We just need to wait for a female that
a) Have enough useful skills
b) Have connections that will not care that she became a night troll
c) But have no very serious attachments to former life
d) Likes us enough to be a likely ally and not a competing night troll
e) Convertble
It's easier, more practical and probably faster to impregnate some consort  and raise a girl troll....
Waiting for that megafemale without flaws

Or at least be willing to have kids, ideally eager; have skills which would make good traits to pass on; and be able to be captured or convinced. No doubt that Alice fails the most important of those.

...In which case she'd be trying to convince us NOT to turn her.

Anyways, let's just let the matter hang as-is for now: We don't have gifts suited for Alice.