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"Shall we catch some rabbits to use as trade goods?"

If approved, Anson will take a pleb or two and have them make cages. He will then locate the many exits of one burrow, plug up all but one, and request a soldier to catch anything that hops out. Alive.

"Say, the sun is firey right? Screw it, we don't have any gods of light; I'll take up that burden."

Grant one of the comet-borne prokaryotes photosynthesis.
Once that prokaryote becomes established, fiddle with some of the soupy prokaryotes to help them engulf smaller cells in a symbiotic fashion.

"Could be patient. Don't feel like it."

OK, enough discussions time for an action

How about that?
a) Wander around, learn surroundings.
b) Find flying animal ( bird, bat or swarm of flying insects ) and send message to Alice. Don't do it to close to the basement
c) Try to locate night creatures nearby

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d) Don't touch Vindel stuff. It's highly likely that he has traps\alarms. In fact it's an almost certainty, he is a master in exactly that kind of magic

If the turn hadn't already been posted, I would agree with you.

I agree, jump away and chat with the Sasquatch. They're clever, right?

racnorYour idea is quite creative and original one, but there are several problems

a) It's damn hard to tie up someone with enchanted dagger when you have no unarmed combat skills, can't hurt the victim and inside his magical basement
b) He may give orders with gestures that are hard to not understand
c) There are no guarantee that our body will not obey orders that we don't understand

a. His plan doesn't need combat like yours.
b. That is a legitimate problem, but how many orders could that be? We're clever, let's misinterpret the gestures.
c. That could be an issue...

I dislike the idea to delay escape attempts because it's highly likely that escape will become harder in future and\or we'll get a bad job, even this set of rules is hard to circumvent, and he'll add more and more. Simple orders like - "don't injury yourself" "don't use magic unless commanded to" "don't touch my stuff" "Don't tell anyone about your bond"  will enslave us until either he is dead (not by our efforts, we'll have no options) or our magic resistance kick in. This elf underestimated our intelligence, but I'd not count that this will continue forever

Hopefully, the elf would be complacent, but that's a dumb bet to make.
I suggest we spend a day assessing our situation. Then we go onto preparations, and make our escape on the third or fourth night.

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Because we're doing more harm than good?

What stops him from stopping us to to do harm?

Nothing, but we will either find new ways to bother by the book. Or bother him enough that he kills us...let's hope the first.

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Um...Thanks for strawmanning me! No, take his orders literally. If he has us bring him water, flood the house because he didn't tell us to stop. Ignore his orders that would require us to be outside during daylight hours, because he told us not to. Stuff like that.

Yep, it's exactly hoping for the best. ( Or hoping that our kind GM that will gift an opportunity like that) Also, I doubt that ignoring order because it's going against older order works. (GM decision in fact, can be either way)
Being evil genie may be fun when you are very mighty and can't get killed by the master, else that works badly.
Chances are that we'll get orders that will bring us in trouble, not Vindel

I was giving examples that popped into my head; any further orders will be followed by me coming up with ways to twist them to our advantage.
Being a literal genie isn't bad if the master won't hurt you, like you claim he wouldn't.

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Slightly better--there's a higher chance we can get healed and a lower chance of exsanguination. We'll consider it if we need to.

What? Higher chance? If you cleanly cut an arm and bring it to modern surgeons in time, they can reattach it and the arm will be close to normal, but badly burned hand will stay injured forever.

With modern tech and no magic.
But this isn't important and I agree with you in principal, so let's drop it.

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Good idea. Best wait to spring our plan into action when we're acting on it, ideally shortly after he's given us permission to leave before dark, so we can run to the tower and escape to safety.

Now, I am really confused...  Looks like it's not a risk averseness after all.... You are sure that Vindel can easily defeat onearmed troll that can do whatever he wants. You are sure that he will easily defeat a freshly born night troll. And you think it's a good idea to try to tie him up when we have limitations much more severe than onearmlessnes. Can't understand the logic. We can't even scratch him in struggle.

How is deafness worse than being one-armed and exsanguinated? If he can't give orders, we don't need to follow them..

Anyways, I just remembered a good quote.
" Dr. Susan Calvin also warns that the increasingly psychotic robot could actually learn to passive-aggressively Kill All Humans with the changed Law; for example, by holding a heavy crate that it knew it could catch over a human's head, letting it go, and not acting to stop it."
(From TV Tropes)
We might be able to wait until Vindel sleeps, drop a sword we could catch onto him, and not catch it. If we take our time, threat gone. Unless I forgot something in Vindel's commands, of course.

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Proud warrior races which don't use weapons will get slaughtered by their brethren who do. Natural selection and all.

Hehe, you've never seen my Saiyans, have you?

Sauyans with armor and weapons would slaughter unarmed, unarmoured Saiyans. Just like RL humans with bows and stone tools and leather armor defeated naked, unarmed humans and were defeated by humans using armor.

Suggested a lot, planned.

Granted. They are near a crazy man who notices you're a hippy and shoots at you. He hits the chief of police's house, killing him; this ties up the police while some terrorists sneak into the city and set off a nuclear device. This is wrongly attributed to Pakistan, and a nuclear war begins, threatening to wipe out humanity. An alien race notices this, and destroys Earth to prevent the fallout from affecting them. The unexpected side effects begin a chain reaction which destroys the galaxy.

I wish my wish was granted.