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To me the only ones who should be able to rely on magic for, well, everything should be the "Wizard Entities" who are essentially those towered wizards who have the ability to create armies and are basically so magically mighty that they are onto a god in just raw might.

Mortals, lowly mortals, should only just tap into magic with a strong reliance on greater beings or long aged immortals to show the path to greater power. (which is outside fortress mode)

No Fortress Dweller will ever be able to stake claim to true raw power and if they did ever achieve it they certainly have outgrown your fortress.

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as most people's image of dwarves doesn't have them using lots of magic

Indeed most people view Dwarves as having magical artifacts crafted through their sheer perfection of craftmenship.

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Magic that one can control should be fairly rare. I don't think anyone will disagree with this

I think magic should have aspects of it outside the sphere of control but magic should remain consistant enough that it is genuin skill that can be invested into.

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Magic shouldn't be safe without a lot of effort and/or experience. The laws of nature are not a toy

I think it is more about how far up the ladder of magic you go. Magic isn't so much "Manipulating the laws of magic" so much as magic is simply another law nature follows. As well a lot about magic that I can gather from reading threetoe's books is that magic is as much about restraint as it is about actually using it.

Magic has strong concequences for its abuse, it has many pitfalls in its learning and discovery, but there is a safe avenue. Magic in moderation should be safe and that the trick to becoming a master without surrendering your will or perishing is in your ability to remain temperate. Assuming of course that the source of magic isn't inherantly harmful or corrupting, but the risk may not nessisarily lead to death.

It is likely because in order to use magic you have to channel it through you. Channel too much too often and it will go wild. As well magic is often horrific and mind changing and thus training ones mind is just as important.

As well experience should lessen this to a certain extent and diminishing the effects of magic abuse should be possible depending on the circumstances (So if you are cursed because you, a living person, used magic that calls upon the power of the underworld. Perhaps over time you could return to perfect health or maybe it is pernament)

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Are these a good basis to begin on?

Somewhat. I also think that magic should be also further seperated by types, spheres, and by origin.

I fully picture that the easiest way to great magical might is just to convince a demon you are worthy and having it teach you its magical spells... but that would also be the quickest way to ruin. I would have absolutely nothing bad to say if the demon eventually ended up possessing your body after you used its spells. You deserve that loss (and if this was a fortress, you deserved to have your fortress burned to the ground).

Concequences can easily just stem from what the magic is.

Walk through doorway. Avoid annoyed Demigod.

Attack GM himself for not repecting my authoritah.

Respawn on the archangel inborbit of earth. Hopfully.
Wait.

Prepare strike plan to infest World serpent inn and undermine it's structural integrity.
Take stock of laboratory materials, with eye to anything to control zombie mech and places to defend Egg and queen.

RAAAAAAAAGE the island to death.

Burn zombies to death with a flamethrower.. Avoid burning players and self.
Why? I need no reason. I just wanna watch people burn.

A RESPAWN IS A RESPAWN
MAKE NPCS MY SLAVES.

Attempt to reassert my control over the revived infected NPC's

>ASSUME LOTUS POSITION ON BANKS OF STREAM ON FLOATING ISLAND

>PONDER WHETHER SELF IS LIVE OR ZZOMBIE

>EITHER WAY, MEDITATE

"Why in the world is there an ant..."

Move away from that ant, then re-cast my shield around myself.

Also, conjure up clothing which fits me easily.

Sword: summon a body to wield you.

Quote from: Nerjin on November 03, 2012, 10:13:32 pm

So essentially Tsuchigumo, what you are saying is that you want me to have the same terrain penalties but add different flavors to them depending on the map?

@Zacen have you read the updated ruleset? I have several units capable [at least one or three] of changing the terrain.

I must be blind to have missed that excuse me for a moment while I go face wall.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on November 03, 2012, 10:10:44 pm

Leave out the sub-atomic part and that applies to you, misko.

Edit: Note from the main thread:

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Quote from: Dirg on November 03, 2012, 09:16:58 pm

AID VORTHON'S ACTION.

Lame action is lame. Keep playing with your buddy While I speak with the grownups.

At least he has a buddy. You're just above Xantalos in approval. Also, you're being childish yourself.

Ohh, so now you poll master gold? I dont think so. Anyway, I'm a little sick of you. I left the Blockaded Zone, and people have done nothing but talktalktalk, or attacked me and fail.

They're small, but they're cramped as well. I feel like I'm stuck in a pachinko machine or something.

So essentially Tsuchigumo, what you are saying is that you want me to have the same terrain penalties but add different flavors to them depending on the map?