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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on September 02, 2012, 12:21:36 pm

Well, it wasn't. At least, not in your post, and in a debate you shouldn't leave your research to your opponent...especially if my point is not invalidating your claim about how well multiplayer stuff works in SimCity, but how it wouldn't apply to DF.

I have no idea what you mean here or if you're referring to me or Kipi.  There is no multiplayer in SimCity as far as I know.

Oops, I was mixing the original proposal with the argument I was arguing against. Replace "multiplayer" with "unpaused designation."

Quote from: Kipi on September 02, 2012, 10:56:31 am

My response was aimed to the fact that you compared Dwarf Fortress and SimCity.

Did I?  I said being able to designate stuff with the game unpaused works well in SimCity.

Same idea.

Quote from: Kipi on September 02, 2012, 10:56:31 am

The problem is that, to compare features, the games must be even remotely similar. And in which way is SimCity similar to Dwarf Fortress? And I don't mean something like "in both you create city" but concrete similarities. Instead there are lots of things that makes the two games totally different.

The designating is rather similar.  In both games you designate rectangular plots of land and then wait for the work to be done.  In both, it can take significant time to plan out and designate a large area.  In both, your current focus can be interrupted by any number of problems or disasters that require quick action.  The mechanic is similar enough to warrant an off-hand comment about how I liked it in SimCity.

That's like saying that Feudal Japan and Medieval Europe were very similar, because both used a feudal system of government and used soldier-nobles. Dwarf Fortress has many, many more things that can go wrong, without the game even "realizing" that something's off. Also, there's a lot of autopause and autozoom, which would mess with stuff.

Quote from: Kipi on September 02, 2012, 10:56:31 am

For example, in DF you can affect to the life of every single dwarf in your fortress and even in some extent to control their movement. Can you do that in SimCity?

How is that relevant to pausing while designating?

Simple. DF and SC have completely different scales. In SimCity, if you tell someone to build a house, the house will start bring built. In DF, it's a lot more complex, and you'll probably be interrupting people. Also, if a disaster interrupts you in SimCity, you're a building behind on your designations. If one hits you in DF, you lose your spot in a potentially complex digging designation.

Again, I'm not against unpausing while designating, I just think it should always pause by default.

It would probably make sense for the maximum length chains could hold vary by weight and strength. A chain of metal X can hold Y weight, counting the chain, lift, and everything on the lift. Long chains would be heavier.

I'm not sure how much of the minecart code could be recycled into lifts, though.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on September 02, 2012, 10:04:27 pm

Quote from: Kofthefens on September 02, 2012, 09:55:55 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on September 02, 2012, 09:35:42 pm

You can't arm creatures who aren't dwarves.

Not exactly true. There's no way to tell your dwarves to arm it specifically, but there is a way, albeit imprecise.
1. Equip (unskilled, you want your minotaur alive) dwarf with weapon
2. Throw dwarf in pit
3. Hope minotaur wrestles weapon off the dwarf

This may have to be repeated several times for it to work.

It's as likely to end with a dwarf wielding the dwarf's tunic, and twice as likely to end up with a sock. Not that that's not awesome, mind you.

True, but you can also strip the dwarves first. I agree that it's not the best method though.

If it's the only method, it is, by definition, the best method.

GreatWyrmGold,

I do indeed, but given other aspects of my current fort are being wonky, I wouldn't be surprised if that was, too.

How many layers? You're normally suppose to have like 15 layers or soil and stone, minumum, between the bottom of the surface and the top of the first cavern layer.

Dear Babyfactories,

I warned you.  I also set the init file to ZERO GODDAMNED BABIES.  How you're continuing to have them, I don't know, but if this continues I'll be making a new Mommy Squad to deal with the goblins when they come, and no one will give a shit, because engravings and gold statues in every room.

Me

Wait a few months. The baby cap won't stop existing pregnancies, only prevent new ones.

Well, whaddya know. I just use the notify thingy to get emails.

No there hasn't!

Let the debate about if we were debating about debating commence, and may it spawn many other meta-meta-debates.

wow i guess i should make a new topic of funniest artifact you ever got right? and i cant believe i typed boat instead of boot

There's at least a couple.

One could avoid the fractalist interpretation if the dwarves do the engraving in, say, an impressionist way. Or cubist. Or dadaist. Perfectionist does not equal realist.

Although the universe-folding hypothesis is obviously the truth.

The universe-folding idea is amusing but not canon. I like the fractal and cubist theories best.

Amazingly, it's not the only hit.