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The same reason they do with crossbows, presumably.

Fun fact, dwarves can scratch the leg hair off of animated hair from a water buffalo easily. Indeed, a dwarf can hold out against reanimating water buffalo hair and skin for a while with nothing but bruises and maybe some lost teeth. (I'm not sure how much of that is from the elephant I dropped in, hoping to see if elephant skin hurt more than buffalo skin. I might need to do a fresh test for that, but not until the three other elephants in the corner finish beating each other up.)
EDIT: I should probably redo the test, the elephant died before the dwarf. The elephant's corpse got revenge, though.
EDIT2: Dwarf in steel vs. elephant skin: Dwarf wins. Then it resurrects the skin. Oops.
So...gear beats size when fighting skin. Also, all of your hype about the undeads' power was sadly (?) an exaggeration.
EDIT3: Unarmed, unarmored dwarf beats up elephant skin. The skin barely even got in any attacks, and those it did only bruised. It seems that A. skin has been overrated in deadliness, if not in number or distraction; and B. elephants do not have hair.

My point about the cats and fluffy wamblers was that memetic =/= common. Severed heads shouldn't be big, but there used to and might still be a bug where body parts were considered to be as big as the original creature. And my tests seemed to confirm your assertions. Although I might do a complex test pitting a dwarf against some buffalo hair just to see what happens...
Anyways, the idea isn't combat, but to see the necromancer once, then retreat. To be more exact, it's to survive long enough to see the necromancer. That should be easier than killing the zombies.

Demns don't leave the fortress they were spawned in. Why would they? They've got all the misery they could want right at home.

Are you trying to dig, or make stairs in the level above?

I'm giving the dwarves adequate military skills and wooden swords, to simulate a crappy military with good armor. I've decided to further emphasise the "crappy" by making a lot of the armor iton. The armament given to the dwarven champions is:

I made five of these fine dwarven lads in a line in the big fieldy area. Three tiles away, I added a 5-tile-tall, 4-tile-wide formation of naked, unarmed, unskilled elf zombies. I then encased those in obsidian and made 20 new elf zombies that were on a different team than the dwarves. Three dwarves swiftly entered martial trances, then one of those was struck down and another entered a martial trance. Two dwarves left the martial trance and two elves collapsed. The fifth dwarf entered a martial trance, and another dwarf left it. Things went on, blah blah, entering and leaving martial trances, elves collapsing, dwarves being struck down...eventually, the last dwarf was killed, and only five elves had been killed. So...arm your dwarves with better than wood swords and mostly-iron armor and don't go in against overwhelming numbers? Maybe I should test some more.

Ninjaedit: Whispers, yeah dwarves sometimes get killed by roaming hair. They also sometimes get killed by cats. Just because it's happened enough for people to remember it happened means nothing. Remember the fluffy wambler incident? That happened ONCE. Also, the dwarves killed by hair and stuff were A. killed mainly by hooved animal hair, which is generally around horse-size and B. probably civilians. Also, my tests suggest that even elf zombies are pretty darn good at killing dwarves.

...Could we see some screenshots or sketches or something?

i didn't mean that Europeans slaughtered those beasts , i mean when they came with guns and other stuff , they killed wildlife for fun.

Some did. We fixed it using guilt. A lot of critters died before that.

Quote from: Helgoland on September 02, 2012, 04:21:23 pm

If someone finds it morally objectionable to eat meat, he cannot discuss the subject with someone who finds it acceptable

Explain?

Good luck having a civilized debate between someone who thinks it's immoral to do something and someone who thinks it's completely moral and human to do it as well. Throw in some people able to see both sides but preferring one or the other and you have a potential !!fun!!war.