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Or maybe "The Quiet Thief is less advanced than most goblin civs, but they have a good selection of officers" and assume that that means that most areas are less advanced than average in that civ, but their leadership makes up for it. Or something like that.
Obviousl, more primitive civs wouldn't always be across-the-board "one TL lower" or have major drops in capability, but they could probably lack ironworking, crossbows, and plate armor or something.

Thanks to RL stuff, my posts will be sporadic from here on out for a while.

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I locked up the poll for now (no one liked my idea   ). Any ideas on what the next poll should be? Also, in case you havint noticed, I'm back from vacation, woooo.... So I'm going to be more involved then I have been for the last week. Sorry bout that span of inactivity!

I suggest uniforms. Options: Jumpsuits, Military garb, regular clothes, NINJA SUITS FOR ALL!!!, Clothing by profession, and arse naked.

I advise jumpsuits, with job-themed funny hats. Or just job-themed hats. The jumpsuits must have pockets and such, we don't want such horribly obvious things holding us back.
Naked is just stupid. It would make Terrans think we were nuts for all the wrong reasons, and be really chilly. Also, no pockets or even the barest modicum of protection from...anything.

Easy, we make a rule that their execution can not involve the death of anyone but themselves.

"I want to die of old age."
I suggest we just give 'em a list of options.

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I will quote the reasons why I think this is a poor idea from a message I sent to TopHat, due to it applying to you as well.

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While your idea within your prior message would possibly work, I would prefer a man of a fair amount of sanity and morality in charge.  While I would still be in command of the department, I would still be subservient to yourself, a man of questionable sanity and morals.  Therefore, I would rather it be created as a separate organization so that it would be a more-sane mind that oversees the punishment of those who attempt to create chaos, and be more immune to corruption.

As you can see, I believe that there should be separate organizations to keep tabs upon each other to for the organizations to keep tabs and check upon others to prevent those from abusing power, something that I am against.  This also has a basis in fact that if a government abuses power, the citizens will revolt, leading to something similar to the French Revolution or the more recent Arab Spring.  Within a colony of the bay forum, the number of insane people would make abuse a poor idea indeed.

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I believe that there should be separate organizations to keep tabs upon each other to for the organizations to keep tabs and check upon others to prevent those from abusing power, something that I am against.

The reasoning behind this statement is sound, and so I propose that we institute a complete set of checks and balances: Seperation of the legislative, the executive and the judicial branches, a written constitution and civilian control over military, police and intelligence agencies. Inside these agencies the principle of collegiality should be strictly adhered to.
For further inspiration for a written constitution I recommend the Roman Republic and the works of Kant and Hobbes. A committee needs to be put together to work out the details and finally present a draft to be approved through a general vote.
EDIT: Inspiration on the workings of the intelligence agencies and the secret police may be drawn from the soviet and fascist regimes of the past.
We need an official greeting/salute. Like "Heil Hitler", but less Nazi-y "Rotfront!" (that was a paramilitary communist group during the Weimar Republic; they had a cool salute). I propose:

All hail King and President DZA, ruler of all things rulable!

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How would the sciences fall into this? I'm fine with some regulation or guidance, but I'll be rather angry if my mad science gets shut down for any reason other than safety!
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Ahem. The AI will probably be capable of steering ships and regulating traffic in general.
Pilots can at every time turn off the autopilot and fly manually.

Add in something about punishments for frivolous use of reaction mass and I fully agree.

Currently designing the frame for brainfreez's brain. I'm going to make it my personal butler and give him some rad dance moves.
He will also have a built-in jukebox.

I wouldn't want brainfreez as a butler any more than I would want Corai directing the cleaning crew. No offense, Corai, you just have an obsession with kleptomaniac minions.

I say we put the reactor in the center of our base, and put the AI room on top of it. Main control room goes on top of the AI room.

Fine by me.

well autopilots can have bugs too and they cannot act on their own , without humans it might do crazy stuff because of the unpredictable space .

like instead of avoiding the asteroid , it will just go through it .

A. Space is the most predictable environment possible. The chances of hitting an asteroid, or even accidentally encountering anything other than the odd dust speck or ludicrously rare pebble at a range close enough to be notable, is less than getting hit by lightning on the way to the place we're launching into space from. Unless we're trying to hit the asteroid, of course.
B. Any programmer who can't and doesn't program an autopilot to avoid such easily forseeable obstacles as an occasional asteroid in space as well or better than a human could (it's just a matter of not hitting it and not using too much reaction mass) will be fired and killed, without so much as the dignity of being fired out of a magma cannon. Seriously, you can't hide anything in space, and a human would be no better than a computer. The computer would need to tell the pilot about the asteroid! What do you do if the asteroid is approaching while the pilot is sleeping?
C. The pilot would have manual override, in case the autopilot went all GLaDOS on us.

it just seems a gigantic pain in the arse to create the super AI for a ship .

human will always be more agile in trouble situations .

A. I plan to make cephalopod processing units. Those will be easy to make AIs on.
B. Once we program an AI, it's as easy as copy-paste to make a second.
C. Humans are not superior to computers in troubled situations. In addition to computers' obvious advantages of speed, they are harder to confuse or corrupt; as long as we keep the central AIs away from direct online access and screen anything they plug into them, we should be fine. On the other hand, pilots can be sleepy, drunk, traitors, inexperienced, bad at math, depressed, and/or lazy. Name one of those computers can be.

Is my turn coming up any time...ever?

Holy &*^%, my dwarf has still survived?
S/he clearly deserves to be called "Steel."

Holy carp, I leave for a week and way too many more pages get added. I'll try to catch up.

Why have I not been added to the OP as the F.O.R.G.O.T.E.N.B.E.A.S.T. yet?

Horrific torture: legal way of executing traitors?

[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_X:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
I'd say not. Couldn't we upload their minds to some harmless computer and dissect the data within at our leisure?

Cannabalism: Acceptable or no?

In emergencies, but usually the metal in the bodies should be reclaimed, and the organic stuff should be used as fertilizer. Less disapproval from the Terrans pre-invasion, and I hear human meat tastes like stringy pork at best anyways.

Groups to study creatures might be cool, especially if they would come to your fortress to ask for "funding." E.g, they lend you a spare dragon, you lease them a few steel cages and a set of armor.

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If that's the case, then explain adamantine cloth.
Adamantine is, even if what you claim about not bending is true, fragile only in the most technical sense. It is effectively unbreakable by any mortal force. If you had a place to stand and a long, rigid, and slender rod of adamantine, you could move the world. Assuming you used leverage right, of course.

Adamantine Cloth works in a similar way to Chainmail. Ring or hooks interwoven together. Allowing flexibility in the fabric even if the material itself is not.

As well Adamantine isn't indestructible. It has a very factual breaking point. It is only about 5-times stronger then steel. A Bar of Adamantine trying to hold up the world would shatter almost instantly.

Basically a five inch thick steel bar could hold about 100 tons before bending. Adamantine bar of the same thickness would hold about 500 tons before it just shatters or snaps. (and my calculations are off too... but you get the idea)

Alright, the thing about adamantine moving the world was hyperbole born of ignorance; I thought adamantine was stronger than that. Still, I'd say that "5x or so as strong as steel" (or ~11x, by Snow Gibbon's statement) counts as nigh-unbreakable for all intents and purposes at a medieval tech level, especially when combined with dwarven smithing. Now...uh, what was the original topic again? Oh, yeah, adamantine crossbows.

This thread is officially derailed.

We don't need your official approval to derail things!

LET'S DERAIL THIS AGAIN!