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Extremely. Well, how nutritious is a roast made entirely out of tallow? Animals could eat all sorts of useless crap that comes as a butchering byproduct. At least some, like pigs.

I stand corrected. Nutrition isn't quite a weak point in my knowledge, until you get to things humans don't normally eat.

Quote from: Noobazzah on August 09, 2012, 07:38:53 am

Well, cartrilages and such could be edible. And yes, this would make aquiring a constant source of meat vital if one hopes to keep a large population of carnivores. Scavenging would help with this though, imagine releasing your war dogs to devour the corpses of yet another failed goblin siege.

Constant source of meat required? Just butcher some puppies. Provides instant nourishment for starving war dogs, sates their bloodlust during times of peace, and the best thing about puppy slaughter? Natural population control.

That violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, FYI. Turning puppy meat into puppies would consume energy, so it's leaking out of the system. It's horribly unsustainable.

How nutritious is cartilage?

Or specifically ask for logs, that should help.

Some of the "always evil" creatures are cursed; I can imagine psychological changes to go along with the curses.
Others are simply hungry, or have ethics in conflict with dwarven (or whatever) ethics. Entire cultures have been deemed "Irredeemably Evil" IRL for less than mass kidnapping or eating people or capturing and transforming spouses from the population or raiding towns or whatever.
Still others have the [EVIL] tag, which indicates a darkness of the soul. This category includes goblins and some of their most iconic creatures, like ogres and beak dogs.

Finally, we haven't had a chance to properly view the psyche of any of these "evil" races. Maybe most goblins are O.K. and just want plenty of children to raise, but have a cultural taboo against having lots of children themselves; you wouldn't know this, because you only see thieves and soldiers. Maybe night trolls and such were cursed with loneliness, and just want a chance to talk and live with someone who won't run away screaming. Maybe vampires don't want to kill, but have no choice because of their new metabolism. We simply don't know.

Why would a civ worship a deity that goes against their ethics? They should be hating on that deity for that, not change. Unless there is a violent uprising/majority of nobility likes that god I doubt any civ would worship one that conflicts with their beliefs.

Obviously, the beliefs would be changed before gameplay started, and the god would be advocating beliefs that that group had already.

but deities are just curse and necro generators for now .

they don't do anything .

"For now." This will change, mark my words. I'll bet you a 150-dwarf fortress with an obsidian generator and a defense system based on captured forgotten beasts that it will.

...a god is a moral anchor, a personal guide, and a source of strength, inspiration, xenophobia and hatred.  The old gods all the more so.
DF cannot support these functions individually or unbiasedly.  We do this, and then somebody wants animism, totism, monotheism, or shamanism.
Then problems start.  I do not think too many here are religious, but I can see it getting ugly, And I wouldn't stand for some of it.

Well...objectively, why shouldn't civs have animistic/totemistic/monotheistic/shamanistic/etc religions? Monotheism was the norm in the RL time period and region that DF is most like*, if barely so, and the others were popular elsewhere in the world.
*Medieval Europe.

Quote from: Corai on August 06, 2012, 07:08:48 pm

Why would a civ worship a deity that goes against their ethics? They should be hating on that deity for that, not change. Unless there is a violent uprising/majority of nobility likes that god I doubt any civ would worship one that conflicts with their beliefs.

IRL, there are plenty of things nowadays that are within our ethics but not our religions.

Expanding:
A lot of religious people, or at least a lot of the religious people with access to their own TV shows or whatever, seem to be against things like teaching evolution that non-religious people think is not only not immoral, but not a moral issue at all. There are also issues, like abortion, that certain religions influence popular opinion; people who think abortion is wrong don't always think so because of their belief in God, but still think abortion is wrong. To contrast, there are also widely0held taboos, like cannibalism*, that came about through religious means.
All of these things--disagreement between religious and secular morals**, partial agreement, and derivation--would be neat to see.
*I'm not talking about killing people for food being O.K; many non-Abrahamic cultures (I'd imagine especially ones without agriculture or other stable food sources) were alright with eating the bodies of the dead, or even required it as a religious ritual thingy.
**I know that in RL medieval times, most people were Christian. However: How many of those were the middle ages equivalent of someone who goes to church on Christmas and Easter, and how many would search for a different god if He started doling out curses and the information by which to make horrible monsters from corpses?

Or, connect a second stockpile.

Good idea, OP. What else should be added?

Scrap the z - Kitchen menu entirely and replace it with a per-workshop menu! Lets you set materials to be used for every workshop seperately.
Possibly even the z - Stone and z - Animals menus.

No.
1. I like getting the menus set up so that I know plump helmets and other valuable plants, and well as alcohol of course, won't get cooked once I embark. If we did this, I'd have to wait until I built a kitchen, not find myself embroiled in a tantrum spiral or something at the time so I remembered, and redo it every time I added a kitchen. Moreover, if I got a new food to change the Cook status or wanted to change the Cook status on some item, I'd have to do it once for every kitchen.
2. What would you need this for that a few linked stockpiles can't solve?

Twisting weapons in the wound should DO something.

Until then, think a sec--right now, every domestic animal that doesn't graze or eat vermin would need to eat dwarf-food. Suddenly, dogs and such seem a lot worse. We need to be able to feed dogs kitchen scraps and leftovers before the dogs need to eat. There should be a way to feed them better food, but it shouldn't be mandatory.