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As of now, the "explosion" is an ITEMCORPSE, which means that it would be destroyed under the bridge. The only system suggested to replace it (by yours truly) involves an attack to represent the explosion, and then autosuicide. And gunpowder as an ITEMCORPSE. This would also not destroy the bridge.

1. Uhm, several algae species can already survive in Venus upper athmosphre. The only thing they need to do is turn co2 into oxygen, allowing us to use that rather than producing our own. Since algae are photosynthetic, no actual modification would be needed.

Is there that much sulfur in our atmosphere? Is the acid in the air that little of an issue?

3.Even then. Most missions just swing back between Earth and moon, fly pass Mars, and then head to the outer system. Venus is almost never used.

Seeing as my sources were diagrams in magazines I read years ago and/or in-school stuff, I won't argue more on this point. Let me just repeat: It would be an advantage, and you don't hand out advantages when you're the underdog.

4.Considering we're planning to stay in the upper athmosphere and not land on the surface,which is notorious for burning things to a crisp/ squashing them./ dissolving them, I don't see the probelm.

The problem is that the groundhogs could drop NUKES on us!

5. Who talked about shielding the planet. Our artificial magnetic field just needs to shield the base, nothing more,

Great, another thing to go wrong!

6.Then again, who says you need to let the nukes get close. Nukes are not designed for athmospherical reentry, and intercepting them in their space flight is fairly easy.

I was assuming that they'd send warships our way and fire them then. Like we would have to. Because they're not idiots.

7. I can do a rant about why astrology is utter nonsence too, but I don't want to derail the derail.

That was actually my point.

OKAY!!! SHUT UP!!! Heres a idea. we do what loud whispers sugestted and send the clones to other places. Except venus, cause fuck that. Anyway, Wherever we eventuall pick, It needs to be defensible. I don't want to be so happy about attacking earth only to have a terran missile puncture the side of the room, sucking us out into space or poisining us all. In addition, defenses against infantry will be needed, as when they realize they can't nuke us away, infantry will be next, aircraft and tanks too. My reccomendation of genetically engineered war mount booze-blobs with tusks that feed on corpses

First off, cloning enough of us to send all of us to a bunch of different places would be difficult, horribly expensive, and IIRC, illegal. Second off, to be honest, if we don't put a mile or so of rock between us and outer space, we're screwed if the groundhogs decide to toss a nuke at us. Therefore, we focus on either not pissing the groundhogs off, not being where they send the nukes, or getting a ton of rock between space and the vital systems. Infantry could be an issue, but if we're smart we can use the terrain of the place WE build to make them fight on our terms.

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Maybe we could engineer the martians into some sort of primitive, booze based blob that eats rotten corpses, and then stick a tap onto the side of this creature. THEN, we coul dride said creature as mounts of war, and have a refreshing drink mid-battle, reducing ineffectiveness due to people running off to drink.

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Could help, But we need a solution to counter strikes and invasion. Now, heres what i'm thinking;
1.  Cripple Earths space capabilities as previously mentioned.
2. Survive any counter missiles or long-range weaponry.
3. Prepare for Earth forces to land/dock wherever we are.
4. Cripple Terran Resources to drive them into the ground.
5. Wait.
6. When they can no longer defend themselves, Crush them.

1. This could be important. We need a way to disable Cape Canaveral, the other place in the U.S. that launches spacecraft, and the equivalents in China, Russia, and so forth. All before they can retaliate. This means a fast, coordinated strike, probably involving nukes of our own. This is assuming that Earthlings don't get a lot more space capabilities between now and when we attack, and seeing as we're assuming we can get a colony up and running on Luna, Mars, or wherever, that's not an assumption we can make. So...crap.
2. Space guerrilla warfare. Modify the bits requiring camouflage, and you're halfway there.
3. Vital.
4. Good luck. Unless you mean "Bomb their oil fields, titanium mines, and such while their warships are hunting us," in which case, this'll be tougher than Step 1, because there'll be more targets, more awareness on the government's part, and a LOT more civilian casualties. This last one will be important--if people want us dead, the governments of the world will do their best to make us DEAD.
5. Optional.
6. Required.

Because do you know how hard it is to hijack near-earth objects? I prefer throwing large rocks at cape canaveral. As someone else said, the gravitational force will accerate it to deadly levels. If we make it very thin and very heavy. we can bypass terminal velocity.

Start with unpopulated areas, to scare them. If they do what we want, no (non-retarded, if we warn them) civilian casualties, so we aren't as much of villains.

also, you're both right, And, if we make lots of debris in earths orbit, it will be like a huge minefield. At those speeds, a astronaut's glove's thumb hits with the force of a grenade.

Which is as much boon as bane. Also, it would take a HELL of a lot of debris to surround the Earth.

Alright, this is very interesting, but I'd like to put a stop, or at least a detour, on it.

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Europa or Enceladus. Lots of water ice, (so therefore plenty of oxygen for breathing, hydrogen for burning as fuel/using in fusion, and drinking fluids), and tectonically active thanks to gravitational flexing of Jupiter and Saturn respectivley which means a nice warm subsurface layers possibly useful for geothermal energy. Probably even liquid water oceans beneath the icy crusts and hence the outside chance of organic type stuff going on. So, to summarise, something to breathe, fuel, something to drink, an alternative energy source, and alien fish. Oh, and the gas giants tend to hoover up any dangerous looking asteroids/comets.

Can I be president yet?

Vote up-top, please, and Toady gets dibs on presidency.

Silly me, I was expecting a poll option.

I'm working on it, I didn't expect replies this fast!

EDIT: Done, and you can pick two options BTW. And change your vote, I'm nice that way.

Isn't there evidence that Luna will leave Earth's orbit in a few hundred years?


There is also the risk of Dwarf Fortress like creatures living beneath Mars's surface, but that is both a pro and con.

Maybe in a few BILLION, but not HUNDRED.
Also, no macroscopic life on Mars.

As noted here, we probably have enough Bay12ers to start a colony on a nearby planet. This derailed the topic into discussions of the best ways to make the colony. Currently, the big debate is where to PUT it. The three bug contenders seem to be:

MARS--A popular suggestion, since it's a terraformable planet fairly nearby (also, Olympus Mons). Sadly, there are some other issues to consider.

LUNA--One of my ideas. It would be a good place to launch attacks on Earth from (did I mention we were planning to conquer Earth?), and fairly nearby. Oh, and there's precedent.

ASTEROIDAL SPACE STATION--Another of my cleverer ideas, albeit a weaker one. Basically, we build a big ISS and send it to the Asteroid Belt.

OTHER OPTIONS:
--Venusian colony. Nigh-impossible, unless we made an algae or something that can survive on Venus and terraform it, and then build a floating platform. More issues detailed here, notably the lack of a magnetic field requiring alternate radiation shielding. Hypothetically, terraforming could be done in "only" 150 years, but since most solutions involve living deep underground for protection and often magma access, this may be moot.
--Colonies on a gas-giant's moon. They're even more remote than the Asteroid belt, but lack the invisibility benefit. They'd also require terraforming to be much better than our own moon, except possibly for Europa. They might or might not be shielded by their planet's magnetic field, but either way distance might protect us from the Sun.
--Multiple colonies. On one hand, we'd be able to survive if one colony was destroyed, and we could harness the strengths of all. On the other hand, communication can easily take hours across interplanetary distances, and the male:female ratio is shaky enough as it is.

--Colonies ON a large asteroid: All of the problems with the moon related to size amplified. It's also FAR away, meaning less solar power and no realistic military action without sending spaceships to attack Earth.
--Mercurial Colony. Someone suggested I add it "for completeness." Hottest temperatures of pretty much any non-Venusian world, no atmosphere, and screwed-up day/night cycles.




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Please inform me if there are any important points or options I missed above.

@arzzult:  I was just thinking of that too.  I don't use minecarts enough to be know:  How do you make sure that the magma-filled cart is the one that gets placed on the track?  On the flip side, can you make sure that the dwarves don't try to put other cargo in it while there's still magma?

Assign the magma-filled minecart to the hauling route and don't tell it to take from any stockpiles? A better question is how to only get magma-safe minecarts on to the track.