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Well, you can just embark in an evil area...
Or mod in a Dead-Raiser or Deathspawn or something race that is OPPOSED_TO_LIFE and raises the dead with an interaction. Or pretend the virus zombies are reanimated zombies, whatever the difference is.

@Putnam

Sorry, forgot to spoiler.

And those kobolds are a little better.

But what is this tomfoolery about Kobolds not being miners? Even in the Germanic Myths Kobolds were excellent miners. In DnD lore they rival even the dwarves.  It's just.... eh..... -_-

Kobolds are in the same boat the Native Americans north of Mesoamerica (or south of it and not in the Andes, or to a lesser extent the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans) were, pre-Europeans: For whatever reason, they are unable to get a proper civilization with metal and mining and stuff up before the others. Kobolds also have a big language issue, and the problem that happens when your primitive, smaller-than-a-dog tribesmen fight metal-armed people three times your size or more.

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DF kobolds have a few traits, as noted in the raws and in-game. The most prominent is their glowing, yellow eyes, followed by their inability to speak. They also lack both hair and scales (as well as feathers, BTW), just normal, brown skin. They also lack tails, and have three toes per foot. Kobolds lay leathery eggs, like some reptiles and monotremes. These eggs are rather larger than those of pretty much every other creature, being size 1100 while other species' (even emus and cave crocs) tend to be no more than around 100; eggs of creatures like dragons and sea serpents are size 6100. Their agility is, of course, high, but they also possess above-average toughness, recuperation, disease resistance, patience, and...strength? Their analytical ability, creativity, intuition, and focus are all below-average. They have low trust and high anxiety.
In short...Kobolds seem like amphibians or primitive reptiles, or maybe reptiles that have "lost" their scales (there are a few examples IRL, IIRC). They are strong and tough little bastards, emphasis on little. Sadly, they're a couple million years behind the other races, evolutionarily-speaking; while they can steal stuff from other races, most of their mental abilities (vitally speech!) are stunted for some reason or another, possibly their cranial volume, so they can't really build a civilization on their own. Meanwhile, their kleptomania or desire to be like the Big People or whatever it is that drives them to steal makes other races have little they want to do to the kobolds more than kill them. This forces the little guys to live in caves, which are pretty hostile environments as they contain cavern critters but it's really their only choice. Poor guys...

The concept of dwarves embarking to reclaim a mountain hall, full of treasure, that was previously lost, is probably one that made it through.

And let's not forget digging too greedily and too deep, although that's not really featured in The Hobbit.

Huh... thinking about it, those dwarves have similar luck to the dwarves in DF. Always tempting the wrath of some monstrous entity that breaks the mountainhome.

Not enough magma, tantrums, or cats; too much magma. Yup, DF dwarves have it worse, although their lot is better than that of 40k squats...

I'm not seeing the overlap between Tolkien and Snow White.

Snow White, being one of Grimm's more popular fairy tales, is one of the few well-known fantasy works to predate Tolkein. (And didn't Tolkein have the seven dwarf lords or somesuch?)

Is there a way to make it unmelting?

Not if you want to use actual ice, no. You could make a "Heat-treated Ice" stone or somesuch and use that, though.

I mean, I'm perfectly fine with butchering kittens for the skulls to make into totems. Except I've never had a catsplosion. Ever. I had a dagsplosion once, but a fey mood that needed bones fixed that.

Bear in mind that you can't use reactions to make body parts like, say, bones.

Heck, just let us save creatures from Legends mode to spawn (probably with gear added in later), and let us head to Legends mode whilst in Fortress/Adventurer mode.

Crippled limbs aren't dead, therefore Necromancers shouldn't be able to affect them. If the limb is separated from the body however...

Again, how dead does it need to be?

I think that a Necromancer should be able to re-animate separated limbs and attach them to his own body, so they would act as parts of his body, controlled through willpower attribute. Therefore, if his willpower is low or he has too many dead limbs attached then they would be ineffective and he would be as clumsy as a Frankenstein's monster.
That would also mean that a Necromancer should be able not only to replace his missing limbs, but to add additional ones to his body.

I assume that that kind of stuff will be added once we can make other mad-science stuff.

Haven't we gotten to the point where we decided necromancers don't get total control. I agree with most of your idea, but adding a Giant Desert Scorpion's tail and pincers, as amazing as that wuld be, might notbe feasible in dwarven times. I think.

Well, it might not be practical...After all, you'd need to get a dead GDS first, and those things are worth a ton alive...

{Query: Did our [medieval] dwarves have advanced surgery like that?

Query: Could they have done so with some Sparks? The parallels between Sparks and dwarves are kinda obvious. To say nothing of how flesh golems and/or mad science is planned, anyhow.

I can see in an evil biome, a reanimated goblin siege swarming at the gates, jumping moats and climbing walls, leaping at the drawbridge in an effort to get inside.

Aside from jumping and climbing, I can see this. Most undead of the type created in evil biomes are too dumb, clumsy, or (usually) both to do either. Flooding moats with corpses and bits, and creating ramps of unliving flesh to scramble over, on the other hand...

normally though i don't think that a goblin would do such a thing, however with the new state of mind effects, mabey there could be a case or two of such things.

I just imagined a demon who injects its goblin servants with an insidious venom at birth, a venom that screws with the goblins' will to live and makes them develop a hive mind with the demon at its head. Thus, the goblins will blindly suicide-charge if they think it would help the siege break inside. Naturally, the demon would want more servants, which might be why the goblins snatch children...Hm, I'm imagining a whole new variety of goblin behaviors, varying by the type of their leader, from plundering caravans to feed their Overdragon's hoard to stealing cattle so a hydra is kept satiated and (the priests say) said hydra continues to grant its blessing...

I think it would be more sensible to make an impromptu bridge and smash the drawbridge to pieces.

You can make the bridge out of bodies or other goblins if you want

Somehow, that seems less effective if the drawbridge is flanked by walls.
"Alright, we're across! Um, wall...damn it! Who brought the picks?...Well, where is he?...What do you mean, I pushed him in first?!? Why didn't anyone tell me?"