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A brief search seemed to indicate that this wasn't suggested before, but the only search terms I could think of are "snare" and "ensnare."

Basically, we right now have cage traps. The idea behind this suggestion is to have snares. Snares would be a new kind of trap, probably built out of one rope, possibly requiring an adjacent tree, maybe with a wall substituting for the tree being fine. Anything that triggers the trap gets caught. Either the creature would be [IMMOBILE] or somesuch as long as it was stuck, or the snare would "transform" into a restraint-type building holding the creature until, again, it was freed. Ensnared creatures would still be able to attack, though. An animal caretaker could take a cage and stick the ensnared animal into it, and would not cancel the job because of the ensnared critter. Once the snare was unoccupied (due to an animal caretaker cleaning the snare or the subsequent death of the ensnared creature), a mechanic would need to "reset" the snare.

Comparing snares to cage traps:
On one hand, cage traps immobilise and incapacitate enemies completely, and don't need to have the quarry removed before reloading. On the other hand, snares should be quicker to set up, and don't require mechanisms (a godsend for surface fortresses).

Thoughts?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on June 29, 2012, 08:30:35 pm

No, no, no! They'd go all "Why the circus are there these shearable cat thingies?" and the cover would be blown!

the turns should go in order of who signed up.

You mean for the mod? Sounds sensible.

Maybe. I'm not sure how "dead" it has to be before a necromancer can touch it. And, seeing as player-created zombies aren't under player control, zombies don't seem to be directly under the necromancer's control. This means that you would be unable to control your own limbs...Heck, yeah, let's do it!

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on June 29, 2012, 07:21:51 pm

you need to figure out some way for the only entrance to your fortress to be from below, then slap some hatches on it.

If you can fit a U-bend underneath any of the entryway corridors, that works fine.

Before:
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After:
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That said, I'm not sure how a building destroyer's 'smash it from two tiles away' behaviour would interact with something like this. A two-tile thick wall would definitely stop the building destroyer from standing close enough on the same level.

...I was trying to leave something for the OP to think about. Maybe he's got a tower that would make a great tower entrance or a cliff he's built the fort into.

And for the ghost question, have two slabs made at the Mason's work shop, then, under rock at the craftdwarf workshop have them engraved as memorials to those two guards. Then build them somewhere. Poof, no more ghost.

There's this weird bug where you can't engrave slabs for non-citizen dwarves. Regardless of if that was fixed, I'd leave the ghosts around for ambiance and install a mist generator.

The nice thing is, the ocean will fill any moats you dig on the beach.

Quote from: Togre on June 29, 2012, 02:40:40 pm

Quote from: Garath on June 29, 2012, 11:22:01 am

2: The usual teeth are ivory things. These teeth are from being knocked out of the mouth, severed you could say, and probably count as a body part, not teeth. I'm guessing though.

I did some testing and it seems these are considered body parts, not ivory.  I've tried to make ivory/teeth crafts and it ignores them.  Good to know--now I can dump them and clear up some stockpile space.

I've seen some "teeth are being ignored for ivory crafting" threads, so I was pre-informed

The problem isn't that they're made out of tooth, or that they're body parts. The problem is that they're freakin' monkey teeth! They're too SMALL to make stuff out of.

Quote from: Togre on June 29, 2012, 11:12:26 am

3)To use local ore and to train a weapsonsmith, I am making silver weapons for export.  I know value is determined by material value and by craftsmanship, but are all weapons worth the same base amount?  I couldn't find a speadsheet on the wiki.  If they are different, which is most valuable?

I think they are worth different amounts. To maximize the value, you should carefully look at the trade agreement with the liaison to see which things they want to buy. They can easily pay double for something they want, so that's what you probably should sell them.

I think steel is more valuable than silver, but of course you want to save steel for home. Large silver serrated discs are good exportin'.

Quote from: Splint on June 29, 2012, 03:40:54 pm

Heh.... That sounds funny. Reptilomammals. Heh. I dunno why, it just sounds funny. Then again I had a mental breakdown a few hours ago so alot of crap sounds funny to me.

Why is everyone I know having mental breakdowns at the same time I am?

And yes, I am pretty sure a kobold would go insane from a shiny withdrawal. Im not even kleptomatic and I need something shiny to play with near me at all times. So I am sure tiny unstable kobolds taken from their homes, enslaved, then put into a too-too for dawww...

It's spelled tutu.
Also, I imagine that giving the kobolds gifts (or at least leaving shinies that the..."owners?"...don't care about out where the kobold can easily get them) would prevent shiny deprivation until the can complete their 12-step program.