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DF Suggestions / Re: Process Plant to Pot and AOE miasmic cheese farts
« on: June 04, 2012, 04:19:19 pm »Wyrm, I scrolled up, and didn't see where I brought up corpses. Was that me or you?*rolls eyes, and points at title*
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"Miasmic cheese farts" implies that the gas produced when dwarves eat cheese would be represented with miasma, which is the gas which rotting corpses and the like give off. Presumably, it is what smells bad.
More or less what I already said...Perhaps, but the issue is that there is rarely a problem causing a big bad thought that affects only one dwarf. A baby dies? The mother gets a bad thought, the father gets a bad thought, the baby's siblings get bad thoughts, and that's assuming the baby has no friends and was the only casualty. A type of vermin a dwarf hates* is seen in a food stockpile? That type is probably also disliked by other nearby dwarves. Urist hasn't had a drink in a while? There's probably an alcohol shortage. And, perhaps aside from the potentially deadly consequences of sadness, this isn't too unrealistic. How many Americans can honestly claim to not be saddened by the course of our nation over these past few decades? I feel safe in guessing that they're in the minority.Quote from: meNegative clothing thoughts are along the lines of the nobilic 'room quality' thoughts. If you're naked and you see others who aren't, then it's a bad thought. If you're wearing just a loincloth and you spot someone (not sufficiently higher-ranked than you, in your assessment) wearing a full ensemble, then you also get a bad thought.
Quite possibly, you also get good thoughts if you're the one clothed and observe one who isn't (or isn't quite so). [...]
I don't see anything wrong with them offsetting each other. "Punished someone recently", or "had someone punished recently" is a good thought (albeit, in the latter, to offset the bad thought of whatever caused you to want them punished) is a good thought to one dorf where the receiving of the punishment is a bad thought to the other.
Don't forget that it's rarely the whole fort that simultaneously tantrums. Some, indeed most, of your dorfs are probably quite happy, but one of them (who hasn't had a drink for a while, seen a hated fluffy wambler, had to sleep outside in the rain, and whose new-born child was used by his warrior-'maiden' spouse as a shield in a recent battle) breaks down and himself starts a chain of trouble which draws the spirits of the rest downwards. The good thoughts received as counteraction to another dorf's bad thoughts might delay the clothed observer's decline a bit. but could easily be drawn into the downward-spiral eventually...
*I believe that fluffy wamblers lack [VERMIN_HATEABLE], and will therefore not be hated by dwarves.
An important question, though: Why would dwarves be happy at the sight of other dwarves' nakedness? I can see some dwarves being big enough jerks that they don't care where they are as long as someone's lower, and those would certainly get good thoughts from seeing naked dwarves, but other dwarves would be sad that there is such poverty in the fort that people can't afford or obtain clothes, and most would be kinda disquieted by the nudity. I'd imagine that after a few years of nudity in a mild climate, dwarves would get used to it, but I can't imagine migrants or traders wanting to come to a completely nudist fortress.