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I wasn't saying that it was in the game, I was saying it is used in the game.  However, if more important things have been removed then magma that does not kill you can go too.  Magma does not just kill you if you touch it, if you are in an underground chamber with magma the radiated heat will burn you before you would get a chance to touch it!
And yes platinum was used long before the cut-off date.  The original beleif was that what was used was some impure natural alloy, and even I beleived that, but it's false!  Pure Platinum deposits exist, not just in russia, but all over the world, and ancient people used it, so there is no reason to remove native platinum, and it could be made rarer.  You can include "platina" or many varieties of "platina" and it would lower the chances of getting platinum.

Okay, first off, I don't believe I've seen any suggested evidence that platinum was smelted by pre-1400s humans that wasn't disputed by forum-goers who, frankly, in my mind are experienced enough to have a bit more weight given to their claims than you.
Second off: Platinum is used in the game. So was the old dwarven economy. So were the guild-masters. Unless they've been very well hidden, all of those were removed. Any arguments based on platinum already being in DF are horribly faulty, to the point of not being there except in the minds of a few people clinging to hopes of keeping platinum as-is.

And to those wondering about my image of platina-smelting: It would be pure platina, although perhaps not pure platinum. I'm not sure if that makes sense; if not, ignore it. I imagine platina as being more restricted in its uses that current platinum; I remember someone (Arkenstone?) saying that platinum's high melting point would have precluded easy metalcrafting with it, so I suppose it would only be forgeable into furniture and architecture, barring moods. White gold would probably be as functional as gold.

I'd like to apologise in advance for taking NW_Kohaku's rebuttal from her.

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You have a weird way of picking out the best arguments for keeping in a metal that
1. exists
2. was used
3. is used in the game

Out of that you rebutt me with D&D which I never mentioned, so if the D&D argument was so much better than mine, why are you responding to my post?  In fact if the arguments for platinum are so ridiculous, why feel the need to respond at all?

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That's not an ore deposit, it's a pebble.

You're right it's not the ore deposit it's a sample, the ore deposit that came from is a mine in Russia, where they produce-- [In the central depression of the massif located alluvial placier, which is in operation since 1984 with PGE resources ~60 tons. Last time this placier producing ~5 tons of PGM per year.]http://www.mindat.org/loc-4435.html

Alright. Yes, the metal exists. No, it doesn't seem it could have been smelted at the time limit set by Toady. It was used; it just wasn't used by the cut-off. And maybe it was used, somewhere in the world, but I doubt it was used as more than a pretty stone (thanks to Arkenstone and the others for spreading their research, BTW). And that's how dwarves should use it--as a stone. Maybe platina (like Arkenstone suggested) should be kept, though; I can see that. Maybe it would have all the funcionality of platinum, maybe not. And NW_Kohaku posted in the post you quoted, as part of your quote several reasons why it doesn't matter that platinum is already in the game--Toady's removed stuff far more important that platinum before.




Alright, here's a compromise solution I've got.
1. Platinum is renamed to "platina."
2. Platina is assumed to be pretty enough that dwarves will value it at current platinum's values, as well as its current uses.
3. Platina will be able to be alloyed with gold into white gold, or something else if a better name pops up.
4. Aluminum hasn't been discussed for a while, so except maybe for the occasional single-tile cluster of (unsmeltable) native aluminum, aluminum can be removed.
This makes concessions to both those who want realism and those who want platinum. Those in the first camp can reduce platina's material value and ability to be smelted, while those in the second can change platina's name. It seems likely to, if not be accepted by everyone, at least make everyone equally irritated. And what more can you ask for?

Yes. There are no ideas that should not be tried.

*reads topic*

Yes. Yes. If you can figure out all of this stuff, yes.


You can make dwarves immune and assume they all have gas masks, or you can make gas masks useable in a reaction that generates an interaction-syndromey gas that grants immunity (although then you couldn't have them removed).

Alright, does anyone mind if I take a moment to have you guys ask yourselves a vital question:

Where should the threshold of caving in be placed? In other words, what kind of structures should cave in and which should be stable, and how long would it take the unstable ones to collapse? Say: a winding entrance dug in soil, three tiles wide with the path frequently crossing under earlier parts of itself; or a wall of soap; or a big tower with a barracks hanging off one side near the bottom; or a huge statue of stone on a platform of wood, with space to live in underneath.

The idea of using an already-extant system to fix a long-standing bug? Excellent idea, sir, I salute you!

That said...there's not a lot I can add, except maybe a bit of wonder of the possibility of a "nursery" activity zone, rather than using the current hospital zone, and perhaps some thoughts about other circumstances in which a mother dwarf might leave her infant in a nursery, like during combat. And, by describing what I might add, I have added it, so...um...

They should be able to be made at masons' workshops, and forges definitely.

I never posted in the old StNPO threads, either. Is that an issue?