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Quote from: Gaybarowner on May 05, 2012, 10:04:35 am

make a giant blood waterfall out of dragon/goblin blood

Wish I could. Although the river has a lot of corpses in it by now. 

Unfortunately a random dwarf took him before I had the time to decide to do anything with him and buried him in the main graveyard. The whole graveyard was already engraved by a legendary engraver so he should be happy though.

Deconstruct the graveyard around him and make that part of it into a fine tomb.

That being said, some cultures should probably see the dwarves as possessing a culture superior in, if not every way, then in by far enough ways that they'd gladly shuck their old ways of life to join them. I remember stories about a variety of native cultures destroying their cultural artifacts because anti-pagan Christian religious leaders or what-have-you told them to, and one instance where some Polynesians changed their drainage ditches from vertical to horizontal at the Europeans' suggestion (the gardens got washed away the next time a big rainfall came along). That's assuming that their religion isn't unfortunately geared towards misinterpreting your dwarves as gods, as famously occurred to the Aztecs.

Also bear in mind that, if we're talking about technologically/socially "inferior" races like the animalmen, there is historical precedent for treating them as a resource (enslaving them, that is), as well as for treating them like people (sometimes even inter-marriage) and genocide. Dwarves are against slavery, so they'd probably tend towards integration or extermination rather than subjugation, but that should be more a matter of ethics/unhappy thoughts/whatever than a game mechanic.

It depends on how fast the worlds are rejected, but usually when there's mass-rejection for me, it happens in the first couple fractions of a second or so, leading to a thousand or so in around half a minute, tops.
The threashold for notifying you about what error it is should probably be lowered to ~100 of the same type in a row or something.

1. You'd have to add an interaction to that effect, somehow. I dunno how. Unless you just want to make dwarves/whatever by default unraisable?

2. Yeah, you'd need a new material though most likely, and special weapons that suck vs. everything non-goblin.

3. Sadly, no.

4. Any muddied floors allow for farms; alternatively, yes.

I understand the idea that suggestions should be short and to the point. I understand that sometimes, they're so long that people don't even read all of them. There's a simple solution to this: Any suggestions more than a paragraph or two should have a summary near the beginning or end.

I, personally, like to ramble on about ideas. I tend to think about a wide variety of things when I'm doing stuff that's not demanding mentally, like chores or waiting for my computer to finish processing stuff so I can read whatever I'm trying to read or whatever. Point is, I think about things in-depth. Why are humans simultaneously the largest actual civilized race, and not trying to bully other races into doing their bidding? Either more physically powerful races need to be more important, or humans need some more-defined personality to justify why they're not as violent as goblins. Stuff like that.
I'm not the only one. Most people who present big, complex suggestions also like to go into great detail about their ideas. Related is the fact that they imagine one section of a group of interlocking gears, not just the central gear of their idea. They imagine, say, how the farming affects how fast you can set up a fortress, or how the addition of roving ogre bands would allow clever kobold civilizations to trick the ogres into attacking rich towns, leaving the kobolds to pick through the ruins, or whatever. We like to look through every facet and how it all works. This gives us a chance to both see what the other peoples' ideas are better and gives us more stuff to discuss. That's what this board is really for--not suggestions, but discussing suggestions.


NW_Kohaku, Jeoshua, you're really just arguing. You're not even arguing over something in DF, just how you think people should post ideas for DF. It's not like many people will change their behavior just from looking at this thread--I know I won't, except maybe to remember to add summaries more often. Try to find something more productive to discuss, like how you're reacting to this somewhat condescending reaction to your argument.

I think he was comparing Masterwork with and without the "Less Soils, Less Rock, and Less Minerals" option on. That would be pretty good science, if he tested in in identical conditions in identical locations on identical worlds, and perhaps repeated it a few times. Once probably isn't enough, especially if it was on different types of embark areas.

I think it's partly the wide variety of uses, especially the "Spheres of Fire" part and the "makeable into clothes that make you fire/magmaproof" part. Especially the latter--why don't they burn the wearer, if they're hot enough to burn other food they're stockpiled with?