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If you fast-travel right after waking up, your companions might not have woken up yet.

And this little piggy went whee, whee, whee, all the way to the fortress, where he was killed by an errant goblin's bolt.

People should dig mines in worldgen. For dwarves, it can be like a basement addition to their mountain halls; for goblins and humans it would probably be out somewhere farther away from their settlements. Mines could pierce caverns, allowing the civs access to creatures and plants from that layer if they didn't already have them. Mines could pierce the second and third cavern layers, eventually finding the magma sea, and gaining access to species of those cavern layers and (maybe) any tameable magma creatures as well. Striking magma would promote the creation of a large metals industry there, as the heat of magma would eliminate the need to burn wood for fuel and lower costs. Once a mine such as this got big enough, it could start to house people, maybe on the surface or maybe in the caves or in rooms carved into the cavern walls or whatever; it would probably vary by race.
However, it wouldn't be all peaches and cream; monsters from the depths could come up and attack the mining settlement, killing people and cutting off supply to ores and cave plants. This would be an interesting quest: "Kill the trolls occupying the mine, so that we can have access to our goldsmithing forges and dwarven whiskey again!"

Since my internet access has been...unreliable, I haven't been able to post updates for a while. I'll post a mega-update for all of autumn now instead of just posting the individual parts one-by-one, okay? Just in case you haven't moved on.

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Hematite 3, 15
A fisher was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 4, 15
Kennels are constructed by the trapper, who goes to trap something.

Hematite 5, 15
A woodcutter was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
A beekeeper was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
The trapper caught a two-legged rhino lizard.
I decide that a screw press, placed just outside the beehive, would be a good idea. After all, what good is a big hive if we can't harvest the crop?

Hematite 6, 15
A guineacock grew up. Huh, that's what a keet is.
[OOC, I knew that already.]
Also, the two-legged rhino lizard was tamed...by feeding it the corpse of another. Wait, the dead one's remains are still there...WTF?

Hematite 7, 15
A soaper was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
So was a guineacock. Why these critters try to force their way into and through the doors is beyond me...

Hematite 9, 15
Another guineacock was stung by a bee, while said cock was sitting there in the hive. Ugh.
Oh, wait, I mean a guineacock was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
A mining incident caused a cavein. Thankfully, it was aboveground, where no one was hurt.

Um, I take that back. Only the person responsible for the cavein was hurt.
I set up a hospital in the dormitory and tell Ablel to only do medical thingies.   

Hematite 10, 15
Iton was brought to his bed. Abel is...doing nothing, it seems. Thankfully, a stonecrafter is bringing water, so he won't dehydrate.
Oh, and a soap maker was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 11, 15
A soap maker was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 12, 15
A beekeeper was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
Work on a barracks is started.

Ablel finally looked over Iton and said that he needs an empty bucket to clean the wounds with. I hope he means to fill with water...I order three buckets made, and hope that either they or the water-filled bucket being brought is ready before It Is Too Late...

A weaponsmith was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 13, 15
Ablel is dragging Iton through the halls to the hospital for surgery. It seems to be working. I wonder why he still has his pick...Oh dear. I hope he cleans it first.
The military tactician has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
A shearer has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 14, 15
A gem setter withdraws from society...I spontaneously decide we need a couple jewelry workshops.
An herbalist has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee! Twice in a row!

Hematite 15, 15
Ablel complains again about needing to clean his patient with a bucket. I suggest that he grab one of the ones previously provided and he replies that he's not allowed to. D'oh.
The jeweler, who is actually a gem CUTTER named Erush Atticslips, claims the first jewelry shop made.
A beekeeper has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 16, 15
A puppy has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
A herbalist has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 17, 15
That herbalist must smell like a bear to those bees, because she keeps getting stung by them.
At some point another rhino lizard was tamed with the same rhino lizard corpse.
Apparently, there is “no water source” to clean the patient with. Planning a canal to bring brookwater to the hospital...

Hematite 18, 15
The herbalist was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 19, 15
A chick grows into a hen.

Hematite 20, 15
A beekeeper was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
Erush has begun a mysterious construction! What could it be? He has a large number of rough pyrites with him, but naught else!

ORIGINAL UPDATE SEPARATION

Hematite 21, 15
A herbalist was stung by--breaking news--a bee!

Hematite 22, 15
A guineacock was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
A beekeeper was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 23, 15
A beekeeper was stung by--breaking news--a bee!

Hematite 24, 15
A guineacock was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Hematite 25, 15
We have a neat little gem now: Gingimstibmer (“Distrustshores”), a perfect pyrite worth 1,280 gold pieces [15 gp to the cp, 1 cp to the db] and with several images on it.

I wonder who this Solon is...

Malachite 3, 15
A bowyer has been stung be--breaking news!--a bee!

Malachite 5, 15
Let's glance at Iton and see how he's doing.
He's getting better, at least, but he has lost his ability to grasp. Hopefully that'll clear up once her hands heal, but...if not, we may need to euthanise her. She won't be able to work, or wield a weapon, or even feed herelf. A sorry fate for a dwarf. And that's assuming she doesn't die of infection.

Malachite 8, 15
I don't think I have pictures of our completed barracks yet.

The little red [ is some elvish clothes some moron stole from the elves and left jamming the door open. I'll have them moved.

Malachite 9, 15
A potter has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Migrants arrive.
First comes a glazer/organizer who likes light-bluish stuff, followed by his big, skinny pet kitten, Monom Machinebearded. Next a fat llama, then an equally fat but much shorter wax worker, planter, and spinner. The third smart migrant is a cheerful masonry student who seems to know more about masonry than most of the locals. She has a gigantic, fat, ivory-haired pet boar. The next migrant is a tough, high master weaponsmith (but we have one already...), followed by a novice armorer (hopefully we'll get metal soon, so we can arm and armor all of our recruits). Next comes a “gigantic” cavy pup, then a “talented” mason--wait, he IS talented! Also fat, and liking dwarven wine, but neither of those matter, we have a talented mason! Next comes an animals dissector/recruit, and a woodcutter/marksdwarf. That completes the migrant wave, bringing our population up to 41.

ORIGINAL UPDATE BREAK

Malachite 11, 15
A potter was stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Malachite 14, 15
A piglet is born--a gigantic, slate-haired little boar.

Malachite 18, 15
I order up a bunch of cage traps in the entrance area. Should help with defense.

Malachite 20, 15
Since we seem to be running out of stockpile space, I set up a food stockpile outside.
Also, I feel a need to alleviate this situation:

I will remove about half of the hives, in a checkerboard pattern. The ones with products within that area will be kept, the others will not.

Malachite 22, 15
Our animal trainer says that we don't have any war-trainable animals. I guess the cougar and wolf righ next to him aren't trainable.

Malachite 24, 15
A glazer has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
A weaponsmith has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Malachite 25, 15
A mason has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Malachite 27, 15
A fisher starts gathering a hive's products.
In related, breaking news, a fisher was stung by a bee. I mean, by a bee!

Galena 2, 15
An herbalist has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
Speaking of bees, I keep finding a fisherwoman and a bowyer together, claiming to be installing a colony in a hive. They're installing something in something, all right...
A beekeeper has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Galena 4, 15
A bowyer has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
I'm worried about Iton. He hasn't had any care in almost a month, when his left hand and right lower arm were set, and now he's looking kind of faint. I'll tell Abel to get back to medical detail, STAT.

Galena 5, 15
I have been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Galena 6, 15
A fisher has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Galena 7, 15
I tell Ablel that he can go to the pong to fill his bucket.
An armorer has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee! So has a bowyer! Twice!
Abel is dressing some wound or another.

Galena 8, 15
A boar has been slaughtered.
I wonder when the humans are coming.

Galena 9, 15
Having finished Iton's right hand, Ablel moves on in his dressing.

Galena 10, 15
Since I don't remember mentioning it before, I guess I should mention the butchery tower I had made.

Oh, and a bowyer was stung by--say it with me--breaking news!--a bee!
Finally, I decide to make some more orders for soap.


Galena 11, 15
I order our pressers to press honey until there's no more honey to press! Impressive!

Galena 15, 15
I'm no sure who, or why, but SOMEONE caught a rat in a trap.

Galena 16, 15
Despite my letting him use the pond, Ablel claims there is no water source.
Maybe I just need to make it an official water source?
We have wax, I decide to have it used to make crafts.
A guineacock has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Galena 17, 15
Iton is pale...how will he survive if he's still losing blood?

Galena 18, 15
A bowyer has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Galena 21, 15
Our honey-pressing operation has ground to a halt due to our lack of...jugs, most likely.

Galena 22, 15
A militia captain has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!
I guess the humans aren't coming.

Galena 23, 15
Another mining accident?

...Shit.
Thankfully, there was a ramp under Ablel. Less thankfully, there was also a pipe section which is now lost to us.

Galena 25, 15
A stonecrafter made a masterwork andesite mug. Neat.

Galena 27, 15
A beekeeper has been stung by--breaking news!--a bee!

Galena 28, 15
A filly grew to be a mare.

Limestone 1, 15
Autumn is here. The humans aren't. Faux sadness.

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The seasonal save is here.

Humans have several advantages over the other races already in Dwarf Fortress. Hense why they often are the dominant race. Their ability to survive in a variety of environments as well as their relatively stable political structure (as opposed to goblins for example) is a rather large boon.

Dwarves and Elves can almost never be the dominant race due to their tendency to bunker down in a few small sections of the world.

Goblins also lack the strong political structure to make long lasting strides.

It is only in small worlds where distances and territory are extremely limited that Humans can even think about not being the dominant overlords of all they survay and even then it is because they lose to the Elves' overwhelming numbers (And they get together with Dwarves too well to war with them too often).

The Human's other advantage is their wide range of advantages over their focused cousins (the tech focused Dwarves, and the whatever the elves do). They got a great political structure, their trade is strong, their technology is good, they get along with most other races, their magic is good, and they by far have the largest resource race, as well as a powerful culture.

Their advantage is that no matter what they are up against they have something else to use. They have few weaknesses and many strengths.

Of COURSE this excludes that I HOPE humans later start to have differening cultures.

So, humans are good at everything but excel at nothing? Sounds roughly what I suggested, with the caveat that the other races suck at diplomacy for varying reasons. Elves are disliking of other races' cutting-down-of-trees and other "blasphemies," goblins think differently and kidnap other races' kids (not to mention that they are openly lead by demons), kobolds can't talk, and dwarves...well, are dwarves.

"Could someone make a pickaxe? I.E something that can both chop and mine?"

And the reply would be:

"Simple!

Code: [Select]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICKAXE]
[NAME:pickaxe:pickaxes]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:strike:strikes:pick:2000]
[ATTACK:EDGE:6000:2000:hack:hacks:axe:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:6000:2000:slap:slaps:flat:1000]
There you go! Just make sure you have [DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_PICKAXE] in your entity file!"

I have a question: Have you tested that this works?

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I have another question, actually. How do you make members of one caste of a race immune to bleeding to death?

It's going to get MUCH broke-er if we keep selling things at such large losses.