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Hm...Hm...Hm...Hm...Hm...Hm...Hm...Hm...QuoteHe has a point, though; however, I have (rather had) a fortress besieged by nothing but badger men, giant badgers, and the occasional badger. Nothing else. I think this is an issue that should be solved in vanilla, maybe a tag that controlls the chance of a certain species appearing.
What I think he actually means is: So much variety that it turns into a greyish blob.
So instead of a Fortress experiencing Wolfmen... it just seems Mantismen, Burrowing Owl men, and Cranemen.
A world that lacks the ordinary turning it into noise. He wants "Ordinary" and he sees that a vast variety of beastmen can only add to that noise, which is true.
It is a good point but it is a problem Dwarf Fortress has always had... It can't handle variety.
The issue however is that this cannot be skirted away from forever and needs, and I mean needs, to be fixed. This is especially evident in mods that feature a lot of races.
While I am not feeling this suggestion I have nothing against it.My idea was based in part on real-world pygmy elephants, and partly on reversing giant animals.
Though these comming about because of breeding would probably be better IMO. Even to the point where races can have occasionally miniature people.
A sort of caste that can force its way into a creature.
How about miniature giant creatures?What is this, the Comedy subforum?
Frankly I think the timespan for the finished battery should start after the current one is finished. I don't want this to turn into an endless sprawl of non-completeness.I think that above-ground animalmen should be to above-ground what underground animalmen are to below-ground, but that's another suggestion.
One issue though I guess with Beastmen is that Toady doesn't know what to do with them and what their nature truely is. He actually seems to be moving backwards with what he things the Beastmen are. Originally in fact the Beastmen were supposed to be tribal groups that would be called upon the elves for assistance.
Now however Toady just hasn't really decided likely because the Elf was just an idea and he is getting close to the point where toady actually needs to make a decision. So the inspiration to complete them my not be there as he may very well have to edit them later.
Anyhow here is a question:Fluffy wamblers are already humanoid-shaped, so a fluffy wambler man would be sort of redundant. Unicorns and beak dogs are already on the list.
Do the fantastic animals count? For example a Fluffywambler man? Unicorn man? Whatever the Goblins ride Men?
Which I'll admit I'd like (Animalmen of the made up animals and fantastic animals) to see it, but does it count?
Also Hoary Marmot men should be called Marmot Men... for lovelyness.
Alright, he phrased it badly, nut the suggestions forum is a place for people to say what they want, if in more words. However, as you put it,QuoteAccording to you, we shouldn't have a suggestions forum at all!
Nay, I was merely conveying a helpful nugget of information. In any situation at all, "I would like to see xxx" sounds a lot better then "I want xxx" and it has more of a punch. While "I want" just makes you sound like a child (and sets you up for a lot of snipy comebacks). Furthermore, I do not quite know how you extrapolated my statement as a suggestion to remove the suggestions forum.
Moving on thoughA. Olm men. I think. If not, snakemen.QuoteEarthworm Men
Here's an iffy, all in game animal men already had legs in their previous form.
And Beak Dog Men seems a tad iffy to, they're already raptor like creatures.
He has a point, though; however, I have (rather had) a fortress besieged by nothing but badger men, giant badgers, and the occasional badger. Nothing else. I think this is an issue that should be solved in vanilla, maybe a tag that controlls the chance of a certain species appearing.QuoteI would like them to be made rarer than ordinary animals
That would be determined mostly by Biome.
Your not going to get Peacockmen in the desert.
Afterall what determines normacy in Dwarf Fortress? A world where I have yet to see a red robin.
Yeah...but I still think that just because you CAN mod it in, doesn't mean that Toady SHOULDN'T add it to vanilla once he's not busy with other stuff. And because you can mod it in (if you know how), it would be easier to implement than many suggestions.QuoteI am not trying to discourage these creature suggestions, I'm just saying that Toady has more important things to work on and he has made it so users can make these small additions themselves
Here is the thing. What you just said right there is perfectly valid. "This isn't important enough for toady to waste his time, just mod it in".
"Mod it in" isn't valid. There is a major difference and that is what I was getting at.
Though once again, should fantastic animals be included in the animalman lists?And to those in the latter category: Cave swallow men.
I say yes but you may say differently.
According to you, we shouldn't have a suggestions forum at all! Okay, maybe he should have phrased it more like "This is why DF should include XXX," but it comes to the same thing. If people want to be blunt and to the point, or their arguments have already been argued earlier in the thread, don't jump on their backs for the way in which they express their opinion.QuoteI want him to get to the old animals too.
Please don't say 'I want xxx'
It makes you sound childish, and Toady does not bend to the whims of isolated individuals. He is the creator of the game, all that matters is what he wants.
And use your logic, if he is creating animal/giant variants for future creatures, he's obviously going to go back at some point and create them for the older creatures. It might be during or after the caravan arc but it will happen.
