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Oh, religion. Don't get me started on that.

<BE NICE NURIEL!> Meme keeps patting Angel's back gently.

<What? I was being encouraging!>

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2014, 12:07:59 pm

Quote from: Empiricist on January 12, 2014, 05:21:48 am

Edited the tropes page to point out that distortions bones wouldn't have actually made the body that strong when factoring in that they make it easier to cleave through it.

...It doesn't work like that. The indestructible bones would stop the blow there, not somehow let it go through the indestructible bone.
Between that and natter, I'm removing it.

That's how I established regular consolidated distortions to work (the force skips past them, a sword slice at a distortion plate would not disperse or otherwise attenuate at all), otherwise Cyrielle could just walk around in a suit of armor made from it.

Distortions are confusing. And if that's the case, how do weapons made out of distortions work?
And it's still natter. And there was still the lack of vital organs, blood, or anything else to kill Luna's body.

Kyle hugs Ester.
"Hey, it's okay. Have you ever thought of trying to sway your dad to believe that magic isn't bad? Because either he starts thinking better of magic people or... you have a reason to not go back."

Cue Ester's dad and Angel's mom forming Parents Against Magic.
...Actually, that sounds like a great group. *scribble scribble*


P.S. Is Alistair going to give Maria or Selian the mail he stole?

I'll freely admit to being a noob.

Much racing...very....
[1v1v1v1]
...HOW.

EVERYONE LOST TO THE AI.

Angel is too busy getting out of the stands to notice.

Meme comes in and pats Angel's back gently, trying to comfort her.

"Thanks."

The new game starts up. It doesn't take long before...
<Wow. You smashed a hole in that wall.>
"Yeah, but I wrecked my car."
After respawning, Angel accidentally drives through the hole.
<So that's why there was a wall.>

((The way I look at it, science fiction and fantasy are more settings than stories. If it has golems and magic, it's fantasy. If it has robots and psionics, it's science fiction. If it has a weird mix of both, it's not a justification to lump the two together.))

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2014, 03:45:46 pm

Quote from: BFEL on January 12, 2014, 03:32:39 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 12, 2014, 03:26:34 pm

Quote from: Harry Baldman on January 12, 2014, 05:33:17 am

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 11, 2014, 07:48:27 pm

((Like I said, Star Wars is one of the precursors of modern sci-fi. And by your logic, Einsteinian Roulette is even more firmly in the category of fantasy than Star Wars, because it calls its magic magic and never really tries to explain it.))

((Actually, that is something that occurred to me. It's got magic (space magic and STEPHEN HAWKING'S shamanic rituals), evil spirits, prophetic hallucinations, it's even got its own version of cessation of progress. Though I do believe the name of space magic is something that came from the players and piecewise just rolled with it. I don't think anybody in the actual setting who isn't a PC calls it that. And it's not that it doesn't try to explain it, it merely makes it very difficult to find out anything about it. So, without knowing the underlying knowledge of the matter, it's hard to gauge how fantastic ER actually is.))

((So, wait. You're saying that if there could be an explanation for the "magic," we can't call it fantasy?))

((No, he's saying there explicitly IS an explanation, but we aren't high enough on the chain of knowing things to know what it is. What you're saying is like going "oh the government won't tell me the codes to the nuclear missles, so clearly they don't exist" ))

((There's always an explanation, it's just a question of:
A. how deep it is
B. if the readers are ever told
C. if the author knows
Hence, your current argument places all fantasy under sci-fi because magic has an explanation that a nice Renaissance and a couple centuries would find.))

((So you're saying fantasy becomes sci-fi once it receives an explanation? There are plenty of "fantasy" settings where magic is well understood by the masses. Are those settings immediately reclassified as sci-fi?))

((I'm not saying that, Baldman is (see the bolded text in the pyramid). I'm merely dissecting his logic to point out the flaws.))