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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 11, 2014, 05:52:11 pm

((Sci-fi and fantasy aren't genres, per se, so much as settings. The characteristics of the settings have little in common except "Stuff that doesn't exist IRL"--in which case James Bond is also fantasy.
And science fiction draws more inspiration from other genres than fantasy.))

((I'm not entirely sure what you mean there. Do you mean that fantasy draws inspiration from fewer other genres than science fiction? Because it really doesn't, as it draws from folklore and mythology, which runs the whole gamut of genres, and incorporates a lot of elements from said sources, including most of its archetypes. In fact, you could say that science fiction draws from fewer sources simply because of its greater tendency to try and introduce novel concepts, grant them plausibility and then explore them.

(("Folklore and mythology" are more the ancestors of fantasy than "inspiration"; there isn't a strong divide. On the other hand, there is as strong divide between, say, Westerns or samurai movies and science fiction.))

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 11, 2014, 05:52:11 pm

((Star Wars and Star Trek both established that science fiction can have elements barely explained. Are you going to call these two defining...well, one's a movie series, one's a few TV serieses and some movies, but they both defined modern sci-fi, works of fantasy, just because they never explain the Force (midi-chlorians don't count if you don't explain the midi-chlorians) or the weird stuff the Enterprise comes into contact with? Or hyperspace, blasters, replicators, light sabers, artificial intelligences...))

((Well, Star Wars is definitely more fantasy than science fiction. It has actual magic and destinies, and the original trilogy also plays out like a classic fairy tale. So that's hardly a good example. As for Star Trek, I'm not sure if it had actual magic in it (the easiest way to identify a fantasy setting, though probably not universally applicable), but I'm not an expert on such matters.))

((Like I said, Star Wars is one of the precursors of modern sci-fi. And by your logic, Einsteinian Roulette is even more firmly in the category of fantasy than Star Wars, because it calls its magic magic and never really tries to explain it.))

The Game is called "The Glowing King" and if you can guess what it's about then you get a cookie.

((A being or statue considered a god-king, which is actually...I dunno. Probably radioactive or something.))

"Duh, no Elizabeth. But...yeah. I feel like crap about driving you to depression like I did. I want to know if there's anything I could do to make up for it, and ideally...well...fix it."

You could also make a pocket dimension to hold your conscience, considering we don't actually have bodies in game.

You don't have bodies, maybe...

That sounds dangerous.
Sincerely,
Grate

Kyle gets up and walks out of the closet.
"What's up."

"Well...I feel like crap, for all I've done to you. Have you ever pushed someone away, make them hate you, and not realize what's happening until it's too late?"

Attempt dramatic entrance.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 11, 2014, 05:16:21 pm

((That's sci-fi, not fantasy. The two are generally both considered speculative fiction, but they are not both fantasy and anyone who files them under the same category should be pelted with cyberpunk novels until he repents for this travesty.))

((It's more of a difference in presentation than anything, and certain fiction blurs the line between the two. I think it's more the fact that fantasy fiction lives in a ghetto of its own that science fiction generally wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole than the fact that the difference is all that great.))

((Sci-fi and fantasy aren't genres, per se, so much as settings. The characteristics of the settings have little in common except "Stuff that doesn't exist IRL"--in which case James Bond is also fantasy.
And science fiction draws more inspiration from other genres than fantasy.))

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 11, 2014, 05:16:21 pm

((That's sci-fi, not fantasy. The two are generally both considered speculative fiction, but they are not both fantasy and anyone who files them under the same category should be pelted with cyberpunk novels until he repents for this travesty.))

((Really? I was under the impression that fallout wasn't sci-fi. I find it hard to file it under that category, seeing as the only explenation given for most of the things in it are "50's ERA SCIENCE GUYS". I agree that it isn't fantasy, simply that it has some fantasy elements (Mirelurks shooting mental bolts of pain, what?). ))

((Star Wars and Star Trek both established that science fiction can have elements barely explained. Are you going to call these two defining...well, one's a movie series, one's a few TV serieses and some movies, but they both defined modern sci-fi, works of fantasy, just because they never explain the Force (midi-chlorians don't count if you don't explain the midi-chlorians) or the weird stuff the Enterprise comes into contact with? Or hyperspace, blasters, replicators, light sabers, artificial intelligences...))