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Um. You can't spell, are you sure you can play Pokemon?

Let's try...Mew, Metapod, Magikarp.

<I just want to point out that all of this would not be an issue if NotSelina were  in her own body. Then she can hurt herself all she wants. :v>

<And us.>

[To: Will] <Of course not, but I was thinking some sort of flesh-strength aerogel could replace most of the flesh. I'd call it a rather major weakness if Selina could just shut out all control by removing the transmission unit. Ah finally onto the specifications, quite simple really. The brain or decentralized brain equivalents will be comprised of distortions. A modified bracelet unit will be required to send and receive signals which travel through Fate. Hence, the only way to control her body is through Fate which is the domain of Annie and Wheatley. If she somehow disables them, then the channel will stop working and thus she'll lose control of her body.>

<Flesh-strength aerogel that is light as air? Pretty much impossible, definitely not going to give you the results you want.>
<If she could. You never mentioned this.>
<So, basically, the control system would be completely dependent on something nearly no one can change, except you and your siblings. How convenient...and idiotic, for reasons previously outlined. Just make her a bracelet-like thing, it's easier. Heck, I could modify my plans for a server and have it work.>

>Why the hell is this even an issue anyway? We could solve this shit if we simply let her and Selina talk it out in the TV world.<
>Apparently Luna wouldn't manifest as a Shadow, according to what Cyrielle's said.<

<Unless that ends with Selina killing Luna, what would that accomplish that them chatting in Selina's head wouldn't?>

From the standpoint of the Party, though, not loving BB is a crime equal to infinity murders.

Well, I think we'd all disagree with that. The Party's self-centeredness and refusal to have anything but absolute power over its citizens lives (and, for the non-proles, their heart and minds) is one of the big reasons people consider them the antagonists.

But not that; my point was that you can't break the 'part' of her that was murderous because just like Winston who hated BB with all his mind, N!S wanted to kill all of you with all her mind.

I bring both of those statements into question. Winston did not hate Big Brother with all his mind, merely the conscious parts, the parts that went along with what he thought; there were plenty of parts which went with the programming he had been instilled with since childhood. There were also parts of his mind too busy with other things to care about Big Brother--the majority, I'd say. Similarly, Luna has large parts of her mind that don't care about killing, or that don't want to kill--it's just that the parts that want to kill are dominant and acknowledged by her conscious mind (and are, hence, the dangerous ones).

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 10, 2014, 04:07:31 pm

Hey! Will is sane!
And Angel is pretty sane, too, all things considered.

Alright, one of the few sane ones in the bunch. A bunch that includes fertility god Kyle, Not!Selina, a demon in the form of a bunny, etc.

Kyle isn't a fertility god, he has a fertility-god-like fertility. If he was a fertility god, he would have control over it. (He would also have several other traits.)
And, really, we could just say "basically everyone except most of Elf's and GWG's characters".

Chiron emits a sound like a horse snorting.
>Sacrifice Richard for the sake of the party? Not likely. Miss Leblanc would have her- and your- heads before she lets him die.<

<My point being, you don't have to do either of those.>

>I suggest something less antagonistic to either her, Richard, or you.<[/color]

<I'm not budging. We're having as few things that could go wrong and as much redundancy as possibe.>

[To: Will] <Unbreakable yes, but extremely lightweight, easy to tackle or knock away. Ensures that the motors don't have to be very powerful... greatly reducing her strength, possibly weak enough hat even Meme could overpower her I did say such things weren't mandatory. It's hard to make a robot have to eat and rink. She'll still be centralized in Selina's mind. I'll put it as thus, she has no way to disable them, seeing as they are more akin to aspects of a universal constant. Multiple death threats, yes, but she wasn't in the best state of mind at the time, furthermore, she has not attempted to carry them out.>

<Her whole body isn't going to be made of distortions, and if it is we need to talk a lot. The weak-motors thing doesn't convince me; if we limit the density of her building materials to around that of flesh, she wouldn't need to be stronger than Selina. Not that bones make up a significant percentage of body mass, anyways. And I highly doubt that Meme could overpower any Selina-sized individual, never mind how light and weak; she's just too small.>
<So we do that.>
<It's a 'weakness' that we would need to kill or harm Selina to use. It's not a weakness.>
<How the hell would you make it so she has no way to disable the kill switches? And how would you stop her from getting other people to disable it? And, above all...how the hell are these 'kill switches' supposed to work?>
<Not to be birthist, but she was literally born of screwed-upness. She is never in the best state of mind. And I highly suspect that the reason she hasn't tried to carry out the death threats is that she is unable to. I'd call it a 99% chance.>

"Aw...but it's friendly!"

Attempt to communicate with tentacle. If this fails, grumble and go south.

Another place to look (probably better).

You could also try General Discussion or Other Games.

Luna goes completely ballistic mentally against Will, threatening to kill his children in front of him and then starve him to death while their bodies rotted around him... morbid.

"I don't have children, and if I did I highly doubt you'd be able to kill them, seeing as they'd probably be superpowered quarter-dragons. And defended by not only me and my half-dragon girlfriend, but also pretty much everyone else, including multiple supernatural beings of great power, including the being who created the universe. Moreover, how would you starve me to death? Again, this requires that you have the power to beat God, as well as her friends. But let's not get side-tracked.
"You're proving me right. Those horrible, yet bland insults? I can't count the number of times someone's threatened to kill someone else's children in front of them, or to starve them, or to surround them with the sight of their loved ones. The only reason I haven't been threatened with such is that I never did complete training to join the pros. Or the amateurs. If I had, though, I bet I would have been threatened with each of those things at least once before my first year ended. Except maybe the kids thing, I don't really look old enough to have 'em. My point: You're still being stereotypical. And unkind, because seriously, what kind of guy would I be to have kids before leaving high school? Shame on you!
"Moreover, by threatening to kill children, kill someone slowly and painfully--and, incidentally, in a way pretty easy to fix--you are acting like every stupid, sadistic, uncreative villain back home. You're a stereotype, a caricature. You're a shadow of your former self, a shadow of what you could be. You could be a person, intelligent and independent, but instead you choose to be...nothing, really.
"Moreover, by threatening such vile deeds, you justify our desires to kill you or lock you up, obliterate the key, and throw away whatever remains. You don't want to be killed? You don't want to be locked up, sealed away, forgotten? There's a simple solution. You need to stop acting like a horrible bitch, pardon my language...but that's not happening, is it?
"You're limited. Whether because of your imprisonment, your nature as a secondary personality, or--as I suspect--laziness and refusal to change, you've locked yourself in as a simple villain, wanting destruction and petty revenge and nothing more. I don't see this changing any time soon."

"Please be done, please be done, please be done--"
"It's for Selina's sake, Nuriel."
"Which makes it less boring, how? You're just telling the psychopathic bitch that she's a psychopathic bitch, but in a zillion words. Why're you bothering? It's not like it'll do anything."

<Neither but both are embedded into Fate so even if their bodies get destroyed, they can still act. What are you suggesting? That I create a kill switch and leave her at the mercy of people hostile to her? Also, I never said superhuman abilities, I just intended to create a durable body, if you don't agree, that's fine I'm in no position to add one anyway.>

((I had to retype this after some odd technical idiocy, so appreciate it.))
<How does this work, and how does it solve any of the other problems?>
<We're only hostile to her because she threatened to kill several of us--as well as my (nonexistent) children. Yes, I do. Luna is a danger to us and to others. What would it take to convince you of this--her actually killing one of us? I volunteer you for that duty.>
<You never said the phrase, but you described them. The proposed Luna would have unbreakable bones, regeneration, no blood, no breathing, no centralized nervous system, no need to eat or drink, and overall basically no way to kill if we had to. What would we do if she managed to stop you and your siblings from responding somehow, or disabled the kill switch? Do you think she'd play nice with the people who restrained her, who she threatened to kill, despite her immense power--all the more immense if my estimates are correct and she has access to Selina's magic? No, she wouldn't, and several of us would probably die from your concern over a wannabe serial killer.>
<Finally...why do you want to do all that in the first place? Are you afraid she'll try to commit suicide? Frankly, if she does...good riddance.>

[To: Richard] <I never said you were to blame in any degree, I expected her to get angry, not murderous. People under stress tend to come to extreme conclusions. *sigh* How about a compromise? One additional signal severance unit on top of it all. Given to someone of Luna's choice? Personally, I'd prefer if Will had one, but sseeing as she threatened to kill his nonexistent children, that isn't an option anymore.>

<One for everyone, and she gets a body no more durable than a human's. Selina's magic in the hands of such an individual is dangerous enough.>

>Hestia and I have decided that she seems to desire people caring about her as a person. So we will treat her as a person in need of a good meal and a friend to talk to. If nothing else, she will be reassured that some more people care about her. If we succeed, we should be able to calm her down. Xenia may actually defuse the situation.
Hestia will attempt to calm her down; by any chance, could you arrange for her to meet with her mentally in an open mindscape? Hestia will then attempt to spirit her off to her realm for a bit to speak to her somewhere where none can harm her.
May I also speak with Kyle? My knowledge of alchemy and his of robotics may prove useful.<

<You're all being rather apathetic towards the multiple death threats she's given out...>

[To: Luna] <Heh~ I though you liked getting bitten, not biting others~>
Cyrielle sends the image to everyone who was involved in the discussion.
<Is that sufficiently different?>

After a few seconds, she gets a similar image which has the pointed teeth replaced with enlarged canines in an otherwise-normal mouth. One is sent to Luna as well.
<How is this? The full mouth of sharp teeth makes me a bit...leery.>

<You forgot my siblings. Also, bracelets can still send messages successfully to people who are asleep.>

<Which of them is infalliable, immortal, and both willing and able to constantly watch Luna? And so what?>

<And, above all, why give Luna superhuman abilities? I give it about a 65-70% chance she'll retain Selina's magic, since she seems able to use it now, and about a 50-50 shot that the costs will transfer to Selina's body, not Luna's. Isn't that enough?>