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On the other hand, knives and bullets are a lot more than 4x less deadly than swords and howitzers. Especially the giant swords and enchanted explodey howitzers we tend to see. And don't get me started on deities' powers...

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That was supposed to be one spell! That's why the spell was one "sentence". Can I take the second roll?

Action will be posted once I learn if and how Tomcost re-analyzes my turn.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: Aspects of Eight RTD [Recruiting 0/8]
« on: May 16, 2014, 05:55:34 pm »
Replace 'Blood' with 'Liquified Cookies' or 'Nectar of Life' and you'll be fine.
in some form
That being said, avoiding making any (or at least any significant) blood-equivalents could be neat.

If Froggy wanted to be in the game, then he should have put more effort into his character, seeing as how the OP specifically asked for detail.
I meant to be vague especially with my goals as I am chaotic and undefined.
The problem I have with this is that it's in serious danger of being a boring blob. It's similar to the "evil villain" problem- if you make your villain "evil" and not much else because "they're a villain," they tend to come out flat and uninteresting. Making a chaos god vague and ill-defined because chaos is prone to essentially the same issue.
Or, put another way, I want eight hopefully interesting characters, not seven hopefully interesting characters and an incoherent force, or seven hopefully interesting characters and then whatever comes out of the mystery box.
Agreed.
And we don't really need a "designated villain," which is what the undefined chaos probably would be.

I vote whatever one sounds the most interesting if that counts.
I second this option.

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"I'm still sane! And I'm staying with Simus, too! Which reminds me..."

Grate goes over to Miyamoto.

"Remember the pill machine? Can I have it back before you guys leave? Please?"

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Einsteinian Roulette / Re: Einsteinian Roulette OOC
« on: May 16, 2014, 05:47:29 pm »
Equally true for your interpretations.
The difference being that I'm not saying/implying that one is true, I'm saying that they might be.

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And unless you mean either a musical group, a comic book character, a motorbike, or any number of insects, "radians" only really has one applicable meaning here.
If it's being used correctly. Which in all probability, it isn't, and even if it made perfect sense to use the standard definition...well...we still couldn't say for certain that it was that, because the seven-eyed sheep doesn't make sense.

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See above for applicable meanings. "Radian" and "radius" have nothing in common but the four first letters and the vague relation to circles.
Wrong! One radian of arc is equal to the radius of the circle. Or as you put it...
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I can toss in a linguistic curveball here with a radian being "two PIths of a circle", with "pith" (pronounced pee-th rather than pie-th)...
And no, interpreting it this way doesn't mean we need to find or make a circle. It means that someone designated one.

HOLD YOUR POSTS TILL AFTER THE NEXT POST PLEASE

It will make responding to you easier.
Killed many sods (at least 1 squad) with my red plasma beam.
Killed many flying sods (at least half a squad) with mining laser and green shotgun.
Damaged 2 battlesuits with my red plasma beam.
Destroyed a killbot insertion pod mid flight, before it had a chance to deploy.
Received moderate friendly fire damage from artillery but kept fighting.
Persuaded the bridge crew to surrender.
Tried to sneak my way into the bridge but failed.

Missed me.
You just don't listen, do you?

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((yeah, but each scar means a stab from a silver knife, a shot from a silver bullet, possibly several at a time. Each of them is a life threathening situation for a werewolf))
As much as a stab from a sword, a shot from a howitzer, or several at a time is to anyone else. Probably less.

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"The automatization programms just work too slowly. This way I'm faster, and a little micromanagement never hurts. Keeps you on your toes."
"I... I suppose it does, it's... it's amazing you can do all of this... this stuff at the same time though"
<Probably something the more boring ICARUSs can't do.>

"Not having a fleshy brain helps. Don't get me wrong, human brains are all neat, but they are really bad at paying attention to more than 32 things at once."
<You still get overflow errors if you try to concentrate on 257.>

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DF General Discussion / Re: Future of the Fortress
« on: May 16, 2014, 04:34:03 pm »
[SMELL_TRIGGER:50] how good is your nose?  low is better.  minimum 1, default is 50, humans set to 90 because they suck
What about elves, dwarves, &c?

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Cool.

The golden aspect in the fourth tent is unexpectedly high-fived.

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia Sprint: College of Cardinals (D2)
« on: May 16, 2014, 01:51:16 pm »
Grab what we've explained and tell us what you don't understand. Just asking 'Why' doesn't specify the matter when it has been explained once.
What I don't understand is something you've repeatedly asserted but never explained. Your request is granted later in the previous post.

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::) You're concluding without even detailing it.
Just like how you concluded I "implied" that you shouldn't understand it. >_>
Alright, how do you think I should have read that?

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]Bring on the Passive aggressive BS, kid. Bring on the teasing terms Mr Condescension.
You should learn well that you aren't always right.
So I ask you now.
Drop that attitude.
I get a teeny bit frustrated after cycling between three arguments, largely with the same person, in two out of three with said person failing to see what is to me perfectly clear logic (and the third more understandable, but said person requires of me a task I thought impossible until very recently).

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1. You are dead. Whatever knowledge you gained as a player in-game cannot be uttered unless in deadchat, if available or after game.
Because you take on your role as a player, and not you as a...well, you. Out of game.
Last I checked, I hadn't died in that game and death would give me no special information if I had.
We essentially get back into that rule about how you're supposed to be honest out-of-game, which has issues I've countered and which you said didn't exist. The problem only exists if you assume honesty from person-out-of-game.

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...That's basically what I'm saying. It's a null statement. You got the idea. :v I fully got what you said.
...How did you conclude that me saying "what people say in other threads doesn't matter" meant "he agrees with us that it's bad to talk in other threads! Yai!"
I seriously don't understand how you jump from statements to put conclusions to where they don't belong.
I was pointing that statement at:
Yes.  :)) That is most acceptably better.

Now you should've PROVED IT BY TRAIL OF FIRE AND WORD than just stating 'Oh no I'm town I'm town; why?!'
Because other townies don't know that, for one. Next: How would you treat someone playing the 'hey dudes I'm town' card? :v
How would I react? "He wants people to think he's a townie. If he's a townie, of course he'd want people to think he was a townie so he didn't get mislynched. If he was a mafia, of course he'd want people to think he was a townie so he didn't get lynched. No useful information can be derived."
Null statement.
Good, you got it.
Glad you think so! Sadly, I suspect that your interpretation of me getting it is based on you not getting what I said.
"Null statement" means that it's a statement that doesn't affect my perceptions at all (in this case, because it makes equally much sense no matter what the other player is).
...That's basically what I'm saying. It's a null statement. You got the idea. :v I fully got what you said.
If you throw an argument in the air, am I supposed to not expect it to come back down?

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How do you tell honest-mistake answers from mafia-coverup answers? Hope that the mafia give obviously flawed reasons?

Ah, so it only applies if the mafia are being obvious. Useful.

What's the boundary between "panicky" and "not panicky"? Wouldn't it logically depend on the personality of the actual player? Isn't all of this making it so subjective as to be almost useless?

Make another thread and I'll join it.

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Stripping away the sarcasm...seriously, how is someone supposed to prove that they're a cop?
Mmm...well, obviously claiming--but its also in how you claim that matters.
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Right now, you've a contending claim against you being NQT's. Though, as a point to you, I can get that generally newbies look for inspect targets being more apparent than not.
Alright. So, how do I claim in a way that makes me look legit, keeping in mind that a mafia would also know whatever common knowledge you cite and would attempt to emulate it?

Want an example? NQT didn't claim he was a cop until after I did. He claimed that I was definitely a mafia, whereas I merely claimed that he was not not a mafia, and the most likely suspect. While I'm at it, my story is internally consistent with griffinpup's. First, keep in mind that NQT's claim is more convenient. Second...well...there are three possibilities:
1. NQT is telling the truth. Only after hearing my lie and griffinpup's did he actually decide to share his information. Oh, and the lie I made was also an inconvenient one--rather than claiming that NQT was the clown, I stated that griffinpup was not, and that I found him more suspicious than you.
2. I am telling the truth, and my suspicions are correct. NQT, not wanting to lose, claims that I'm lying mafia to try and divert suspicion.
3. I am telling the truth, but my suspicions are incorrect. This would imply two things: One, you (Tiruin) are the tent 4 clown, and two, NQT decided to lie about his role. Unlikely.
Which seems more likely? One, or two?
...Actually, I just thought of some other things.
First off, NQT claims that griffinpup and I are collaborating. If I'm mafia, why would griffinpup be collaborating with me? If my math is correct, two out of four clowns is enough for an instant mafia victory.
Second off...well...I say that NQT is probably mafia and that griffinpup is cop. griffinpup says that I'm a cop, and once he sees NQT's vote and claim, he'll vote NQT as well, regardless of if it's to stop me from being lynched or to lynch the obvious (to him) mafia. You can vote for me, tying it and guaranteeing loss, or you can vote for someone else (or abstain), lynching NQT and possibly winning the game, depending on if you trust me.

That...was easier than I thought it would be. Also longer.

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Though I question why griffinpup is the most suspicious? One of the best ways to explain yourself is to assume an invisible 'why' when you think of an answer to a question (that doesn't have a Why).
I mean, I get one part about him: I could say the suspicion was on him due to that one vote which caused the lynch to happen due to. . .him not being there. But I'd like to see your reasoning as what I get...doesn't amount to much, really.
Yeah...doesn't amount to much. My reasoning is that what I have on everyone else amounts to less.

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IC advice section: Look at the scenario of today and check: who can you trust based on what YOU know? Who can't you trust given what YOU know? Make a case on such and advance it. Communicate with your suspected target. :)
Tent 4: I can trust me and griffinpup. I cannot trust NQT. I don't know if I can trust Tiruin.
Tent 2: I don't frikkin' know.

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia Sprint: College of Cardinals (D2)
« on: May 16, 2014, 01:31:33 pm »
GreatWyrmGold: Your post was largely harmless.  However, the act of posting about active games outside of the games ranges anywhere from "largely harmless, but in poor taste" to "game-ruining."

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Is that good enough?
No, because you've never explained how it could be anything but harmless. How does it cause harm?

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Why shouldn't I talk about it? You keep saying this, over and over. It's circular logic, and I've never seen the circle's beginning, yet you expect me to trust it.
I...thought we explained it quite well back there. :x All those notes about people in other places and such.
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Great argument. "Our explanation was so good. How could you not have understood us?"
You're really good at accidentally calling people stupid, by the way.

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How do you even understand that.
In other words, I shouldn't be able to understand that.
Are you trying to insult me, or are you just not thinking before you hit post?
Wat. How did you even parse 'shouldn't' from that o_o
I'm asking you how you understand that (but...sure. I hit the wrong key adjacent to the key in question >_>)
"How do you understand that" implies that my understanding is an unexpected event.
Well, that explains that.

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:'(
This bodes well.
Incidentally, that was sarcasm. You're coming off as a crybaby and someone who realizes they've lost, they can't come up with an answer, so they try to make their opponent feel bad for hurting their feelings.

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You're. Generalizing.

We're talking about the Mafia board. If you're dead in one thread--an ongoing game, and choose to speak about it IN ANOTHER THREAD, it is a bad thing if and unless you speak about it in an emotional context (ie Argghh if I wasn't dead there I'd...) with a literal cut off there for imagination to fill it in.
Now if you said something else like (I'm town in (this part)) and stuff along alignment [town/scum/{third-party}] then it'd be worse for those playing as you're basically spoiling other people who would look at said thread. Including any potential player.
You're asserting things without backing them up. Please back them up. How would any of those statements affect anything?

Let me put it this way. You'd be fine with me saying them in-thread, yes? So why is it any different if I post them here?

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...That's basically what I'm saying. It's a null statement. You got the idea. :v I fully got what you said.
...How did you conclude that me saying "what people say in other threads doesn't matter" meant "he agrees with us that it's bad to talk in other threads! Yai!"

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*points at edit* :P
Bit of a pain.

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If it's all subjective anyways, or the important bits at least, what's the point? Especially since, as I've repeatedly pointed out, everything can be a scumtell.
Generalizing again!~~ :P
We're talking about a general guide. The points made within are meant to be generalized.

Meaning: Those things require context to be understood, and at a glance may look contradictory, but are not. It's like that Astrology thing you're criticizing. The subject is highly questionable due to you/your mind not having been exposed to it, but rather only the superficial articles about it via crude observation.
Alright, first off, that was an analogy, and do you honestly believe in astrology?
Second off, what "context" do I need? I hate always comparing people I'm arguing with to fundies, but it's reminding me of people responding to my complaints about the Bible being contradictory or the actions of saints being horrible by simply saying I'm taking them out of context...without adequately explaining what context I'm missing.

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There's a 'because' behind all those reasons. Good townies don't mind being lynched because they'd be scumhunting as their goal--if they get lynched, they try their best in getting as much info from their pursuers that they can, and mostly this overturns the lynch.
Your "a good townie tries not to be lynched" is badly paraphrased from the original statement.
How would you paraphrase it?
And, as I've noted, my problem is with the reasoning. The conclusions aren't contradictory, the reasoning is.

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Your concept of 'loss' ignores the gain by said loss. Your concept of loss focuses purely only that the member is dead, and not what the member has done--the generalization to your statements and the objective conclusion afterwards which I'm poking.
The OP doesn't make any considerations for that. And besides, I'm still confused...how can a mislynch help the town?

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Said quote seems to be taken out of context from a rather distinct area there. Mind to quote it?
ctl-f, it's not that hard.
Second frequently asked question.
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Fight them with your own arguments, and search for people you may think are scum, and try to turn the votes against them. About the worst thing you can do is give up, whether you are town or scum; you are harming the town by making it lose another member, distracting them from hunts for the true scum, and worsening your own game as well.
I dunno about you, but when I read that, I see that as saying "you should try not to be lynched, because that will always hurt your team".

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1. Prove. Note: "Trying" = actively doing. As in, it can be sensed. Your example does NOT (@orange) take that up. This requires context to specify.
2. Prove. There are underlying reasons why a scumtell is a scumtell and not a towntell or a newbietell.
3. Prove. Generally everyone will fight the lynch, but also will fight according to their principle.
All of such are guides and not laws. :V
1. Alright, how do you tell that someone's trying to hide their scumtells, as opposed to someone who just doesn't have them? Wouldn't the most logical way to hide them be to know what they are and not do them at all, rather than...I dunno, how are you supposed to hide scumtells in some other way?
2. So, either scum leave no scumtells, or a lot? There's no middle ground? B.S. Not to mention the idea that scum will give off a whole lot of scumtells is not only BS, it's BS that could easily lead to mislynches if the mafia doesn't but enough players, trying to find all the scumtells, finds a bunch of alleged scumtells in a random (probably town) player's posts.
3. How does the "principle" affect how they will fight? Do mafias' principles force them to bold their arguments or something?
Remember, we don't have telepathy, or even the ability to see each others' faces. All we have are text, text freely given and, if the player is a mafia, almost certainly carefully thought-out.

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...What happened in your BM Sprint!? You should be acquainted with the game already due to it being a BM! (though fast paced :v)
You were there, weren't you? You saw what happened.

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia Sprint: College of Cardinals (D2)
« on: May 16, 2014, 01:14:20 pm »
Good, you got it.
Glad you think so! Sadly, I suspect that your interpretation of me getting it is based on you not getting what I said.
"Null statement" means that it's a statement that doesn't affect my perceptions at all (in this case, because it makes equally much sense no matter what the other player is).

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It's like this: Comparison and Observation. It skews the thoughts of an onlooker as one side is familiar to him, and the other is not-yet both state [the same] similar things.
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I don't get how this connects to the question at hand. Saying something outside makes you more familiar to those inside, which significantly affects decisions? If so, wouldn't it be illogical to play mafia on forums where people know each other? In fact, since I'm fairly well-known and often-posting, and hence familiar to many, I probably stop playing mafia so my familiarity doesn't cause people to view my statements in a different light!

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How do you even understand that.
In other words, I shouldn't be able to understand that.
Are you trying to insult me, or are you just not thinking before you hit post?

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There is a wholly existent rule that you should not talk about an ongoing game you played in in another thread sans said thread's deadchat, if available. See: BAH POST. [Also no, the 'tell the truth part' as an attachment is wholly wrong--you should NOT talk about it. Period.]
2. See: Above. If the game is over, you may talk about it freely. That one is correct.
Why shouldn't I talk about it? You keep saying this, over and over. It's circular logic, and I've never seen the circle's beginning, yet you expect me to trust it.

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