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Then introduce me to rhetoric.


If it's all subjective anyways, or the important bits at least, what's the point? Especially since, as I've repeatedly pointed out, everything can be a scumtell.
1. OP, "Common Scumtells," "Trying Too Hard To Appear Townie"
2. Common sense. Scum don't want townies to know they're scum. I swear, next I'll be needing to prove that scum want to win.
3. OP, "FAQ," "People are accusing me of being scum! I'm about to get lynched! What do I do?"

Yes.  That is most acceptably better.

Now you should've PROVED IT BY TRAIL OF FIRE AND WORD than just stating 'Oh no I'm town I'm town; why?!'
Because other townies don't know that, for one. Next: How would you treat someone playing the 'hey dudes I'm town' card? :v

How would I react? "He wants people to think he's a townie. If he's a townie, of course he'd want people to think he was a townie so he didn't get mislynched. If he was a mafia, of course he'd want people to think he was a townie so he didn't get lynched. No useful information can be derived."
Null statement.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 16, 2014, 08:56:49 am

*So? It's not like a non-participant knows anything participants don't, or like there's any other reason to trust outsider judgement over one's own.

Yeah, but if you think someone and makes a comment similar to another one that an outside observer made, and you doubt there has been contact between them then that could influence you to view that person as town.

Um, why? I don't see how.

Posts outside of game can be assumed to be true.  Therefore, talking about the game outside of game while it is going on is not a good thing to do, because it introduces an outside aspect to the game.

So, let me see if I understand.
1. There is an unwritten rule that, if you talk about a game in some other thread, you should tell the truth.
2. To avoid spoilers from the above rule, there is an unwritten rule that you can't talk about other games until the one you're in is over.
Is this more or less correct?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 16, 2014, 09:13:35 am

Persus, aka darkpaladin, was killed in Tent 4. Being a freak in that tent (LYLO, can't hurt to mention), I'm fairly confident that griffinpup is a town, and notquitethere seemed more...I'm not sure, suspicious? More wordy, abrasive? If I had to choose between voting Tiruin and notquitethere, I would (and am) going with notquitethere. Sorry I can't quantify why; I started to, then realized that it sounded pretty pathetic. Still, the evidence for griffinpup and Tiruin is more pathetic still.

Alright Mr. Brevity [GWG 4], expound on the orange.
Be more fairly confident in how you explain things. Why is griffinpup town?
Give your reads on us all. Compare and contrast.

If you read the OP, you'd note that the freaks are this game's cops. I scanned griffinpup last night and discovered that he was another freak.

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Tent 3 doesn't have a murder or a me. Who cares?

Useless rudeness doesn't need to be mentioned if it doesn't need to exist in the first place.

I try to be complete.

PPE:

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When did I vote you? Are you referring to when I said that griffinpup in Tent 4 was a townperson?

Eh? you voted me D1 as far as I remember. For no reason. I mean seriously. It's 3 normalforumformat pages back.

So, you're referring to the last turn.
Yeah, I didn't have much reason then, but it was more reason than I had for anyone else, neh? Didn't we go over this?

Are you going focused or are you speaking to those players as a general statement.

Which statements? The ones where I explain why I think each of them is the clown in that tent? It's intended as specific, though I admit that they could also apply to any tent with those conditions. So, yeah, it's specific.

Err...yes.
I asked 'why' you use it. :v

I asked why it was so notable. "Pathetic" is a word that can describe something that doesn't sound so good when you actually try to construct it. Flimsy reasoning? Yes. Would you rather I vote for you? As with yesterday, my evidence for the suspected one is flimsy, but my evidence for the others is nonexistent or less.

And you're claiming cop...why?
LYLO, why?
You were fairly confident...why? [as of serious note, you said this after pup gave his mostlikelyassumed inspect]

I'm claiming cop because I am.
LYLO because the GM and the numbers say it is.
I was fairly confident because I initially left out the fact that I was cop, but changed my mind before hitting post.

Oh, also almost forgot the standard.

GWG/Flabort: After you two answer my query back there, let me ask you back: Why did you pick your target? Compared to the others, what made them stand out?

notquitethere seemed to be harsher on the murdered and vise versa than you did. Plus, there were some other...suspicious things about him. I can't quite quantify, but he gave me a more scummy vibe than you did, and as noted I know that griffinpup and I are both freaks in Tent 4.
As for griffinpup in Tent 2, the "vote for someone who promptly gets killed" sounds a lot more mafia-like than anything else anyone else did.

Well, first, I need to reread through the thread. But you're committing a common statistical error. The alignment of WhitiusOpus is an independent event in each game, and the fact he has flipped town twice doesn't matter. A coin that has been flipped twice and gotten tails is not more likely to flip heads on the next flip, because coin flips are independent events. The probability of WhitiusOpus being scum is roughly 1/4.

Beat me to it.
Of course, nqt seems to be operating under the assumption that one of WhitiusOpius's aspects must be mafia, because at the beginning there was a 55% chence that it was so.

I've been told that the previous Beginner's Mafia was unusually bad, so I'm willing to give this another try.

Sufficiently cheesy in-notice?

I personally think it should be chosen based on which one is a better character, I like Lyeos's but I really hate the other one, bout as unspecific an appearance as you can get (And I don't watch american dad), nothing fleshed out for the personality, and I dislike the name, There Are no kittens, we haven't made them yet, same goes for blood. Also not even a basic goal for causing chaos.

Agreed, though "blood" is something we can safely assume will exist in some form eventually.

Phrasing. "Thats 17.3 degrees, 18th radian." Like saying "17 minutes on the 18th hour", or "17th day of the 18th year".

Which assumes that it is an angle, that they are indeed added that way, and overall that things are being used exactly like you believe they are.

Alternatively, it really does use "radian" in some nonstandard way. But I can't see what it is.

I suggested it a while back. 13 default radii from some central point.

No it's not. If you log off or close the window, it resets.

Everyone logged off or closed the window within 30 seconds of the sheep initially chatting?
Context, man.

I had it to, by te way. Really, instead of being pissed you should be thankful he reposted.

Why should I be thankful if it was done in a way that had basically zero chance of most of us actually seeing it? I was asleep, I imagine most Americans were, and even with the parts of the world that were awake, we don't exactly expect them to constantly refresh the ER subforum.

MYLO is the general situation wherein the point of reference is the Town viewpoint (ie MY = Mislynch; LO = Lose) meaning Mislynch or Lose.
Meaning that if there's a Mislynch (ie you feel that that dude is scum, go lynch his/her head off, but dude is town), then Town generally loses [if lacking protect/redirect/blocking role] due to the scum [in most cases] having a factional kill! Thus making their numbers higher than town

Ah. That makes sense (except for the name).

So.
...GWG, you were voting me for completely no reason other than ...something something vague you were speaking about :v

When did I vote you? Are you referring to when I said that griffinpup in Tent 4 was a townperson?

Query: GWG. You're playing now, in two tents. Will you attempt to differentiate the targets and audience you speak to, or are you still poking them as a generality like I assume you did in D1?

I tried. Did I not identify which tents I was referring to?
If asked on general matters, I'll answer generally.

Also why do you use the word 'pathetic' so freely :v

I used it twice, once in reference to my own reasoning and once to parallel my previous use of the word.

Also...seriously. If you vote people--make sure it adheres to the rules in accordance with the vote in question, put the number of the tent in relation to the person in question being voted :^[/b]

What, it wasn't obvious?
Fine. notquitethere, tent 4, and griffinpup, tent 2, as anyone should be able to determine easily.

Not much time right now, but GWG is town in tent 4

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We scanned each other.
Best cops ever.

Query Griffin: This seems more like a cop claim rather than an 'I think this player is [alignment]' claim, unless you'd like to give your reads on all of us present?
Why are you claiming?

I can confirm the former. Like I said, best cops ever.

Oh, right, Tent 1 won. D'oh.

Persus, aka darkpaladin, was killed in Tent 4. Being a freak in that tent (LYLO, can't hurt to mention), I'm fairly confident that griffinpup is a town, and notquitethere seemed more...I'm not sure, suspicious? More wordy, abrasive? If I had to choose between voting Tiruin and notquitethere, I would (and am) going with notquitethere. Sorry I can't quantify why; I started to, then realized that it sounded pretty pathetic. Still, the evidence for griffinpup and Tiruin is more pathetic still.
Tent 3 doesn't have a murder or a me. Who cares?
Tent 2...Whitius was killed. griffinpup voted for his death (I forget what tent), so it's possible that he's continuing that vendetta. However, I notice something...unusual.

Whitius Opius 1 Whitius Opius 2 Whitius Opius 3— You're my game twin, the metaphorical whiteface to my auguste. I know I'm good in every game: what assurances do I have that you're not bad in every game?

It seems odder once I reread. Whiteface is evidently a mountain and a method of coloring one's face white. However, "white" is generally considered a good thing. Auguste...that's vaguer, but maybe a ship? Doesn't matter. Besides, if we lynch notquitethere everywhere, I've got a good chance of getting at least one clown! Therefore, I vote griffinpup because that is BS reasoning, and my initial point about griffinpup is stronger.
Now to figure out an RP post to justify this stuff.