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Grate is presumably in the waiting room with everyone else? Is that where we're left off?

Steam harpoons and vacuum propulsion effectiveness is dependant on quality of design and available water stores, could actually be quite effective.

I doubt that; steam doesn't provide much pressure, overall, especially when you consider that it's basically warm water hanging in the air--that prevents it from giving much pressure. Sure, with plenty of R&D, maybe you could bring it up to the level more conventional methods of propulsion, but it's not really worth the work. And don't get me started on steam harpoons...

Yes im aware that nuclear reactors are enormous radioactive steam engines, ER nuclear generatirs on tge other hand dont strike me as steam operated.

Assume that that's correct. Logically, if the ERverse ditched steam-based reactors, the non-steam-based reactors must be even better than the steam-based ones, which are better than your planned low-temperature steam boiler. How does this make that runt of the litter any better?

GWG: Define scumhunting.
Next, define the usage of scumtells if anyone can perform them anyway.
Would you like random voting instead and random lynching?

Scumhunting: Trying to figure out who the "mafia" players are.
They don't do much, practically. That's my point.
At this stage of the game, random voting and lynching is going to happen regardless of if I want it or not. I want honesty that that's what's going on, and that your "scumtells" everyone's talking about how I should be basing it on are subjective and meaningless.

I know I'm town in every game. Whitius is in every game with me. What are his chances of being town in every game? 3/4 * 3/4 * 4/5 = 9/20. He has a less-than-half chance of rolling town in all three games. I'd like to try lynching him in at least one of them. At least, until a better reason to lynch someone else appears.

You know what? That same logic can be applied to anyone. Or to any assortment of three people chosen from various games. There is an equal chance that WhitiusOpius is mafia in at least one game as that one of the people I voted for is mafia in that game.

That's fine at this stage: as I said though, if that's still your reason for voting me at the end of this day then we might have a problem. It's fine to think 'scumtells' are bogus. But you're expected to advance some kind of reason for lynching someone, even if it's just "I don't think this player is contributing much to the game" or something like that.

I've given a reason. You don't like that I'm complaining about the way you play? Too bad, it's still more legitimate than voting to lynch someone because there's a 55% chance that one of him is a mafia.

I think you've got a serious misconception about me and my reasoning. Here are what I take to be good reasons to vote someone:
Early Game (i.e. first half of Day 1)
1. Pressure a person into answering your question
2. Pressure a person into explaining something they said that didn't sound right
3. Pressure a person into contributing more
4. Vote someone for suspicious activity (voting patterns, claims, inspects etc.)
5. Vote confirmed scum.
Mid Game (i.e. end of Day 1 to end of Day 2)
1. Pressure a person into explaining something they said that didn't sound right
2. Pressure a person into contributing more
3. Vote someone with suspicious activity (voting patterns, inspects, claims etc.)
4. Vote confirmed scum.
Late Game (i.e. Day 3 onwards or MYLO/LYLO, whichever's first)
1. Vote someone for suspicious activity (voting patterns, claims, inspects etc.)
2. Vote confirmed scum.

I notice that pretty much every step of every day involves a very much subjective measure of "suspicious," "didn't sound right," etc, which can be applied to anyone over the course of a turn. If you post enough, you probably said something that can be construed as a scumtell, and in extreme cases the posting rate itself can be a scumtell. Didn't post much? That's also a scumtell. Complains or argues? Scumtell. Agrees too much? Scumtell. Let me put it this way:

I like Lightshot, but it's not a good way to get screenshots in the middle of delicate maneuvers.

Wait, that made sense?

Mm, I'm unsure how those reasons are in any way good.
Wasn't that your argument?

Ayup.

The evidence is made on the spot and not treated as it shouldn't exist. It is something to be searched for--something to take an action towards, and not something that does not exist unless it should.
Interpretations come and go with the viewpoint, hence why I emphasized communication back there. It is implied.
That's one way to say it, even if I didn't directly say it.

None of what you're saying is convincing me that the BS scumtells everyone's looking for have any kind of merit.


That is how brevity should be. Not these cheesy one-liners.

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No. No, it isn't. If it was, I would have answered. You're asking...something about an ulterior motive, maybe? If you were, why'd you phrase it like that? Is there some specific type of purpose or "forwarding" method I would be using?

I've to ask where your question comes from because the origin is 'what purpose were you forwarding'.
Which is actually pretty straightforward if you'd say 'for clarity' or something.
Now I'm... curious. From where did you assume a speculation of ulterior motives? And why?

Now I'm more confused about what you were asking.
And why did I suspect you suspected I had ulterior motives? One, it sounded like you were asking that. Two, everyone seems to be paranoid whilst playing mafia.

Some deaths? Past voting records?

"Player A has persistently voted to lynch people who get whacked by the mafia a turn or two later. Player A is probably part of the mafia."
Stuff like that.

Indulge me in this: Why does this logically make a difference? Why should it be tough? Could you detail what characteristics make it so?

It's hard facts, facts that can't be concealed. These scumtells you people are looking for? They're pretty much nothing. Anyone can fake them, anyone can costlessly avoid them. They're dumb.
And why should what be tough?

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 13, 2014, 11:24:16 am

notquitethere seems to be fishing for tells to figure out who's who. I'm sure this is a tell that points to him being a scum.

This is cute, GWG, but I'm not going to hang based on such spurious reasoning. Try again.

Wow. I've never seen someone miss the point after the point was explained. Truly, you have a gift for obliviousness.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on May 13, 2014, 04:02:11 pm

It's mostly a parody of some of the reasoning I've seen in the previous Mafia game I've participated in, which I sincerely hope and simultaneously doubt is unusual.

Strong words, Gee-Dubya. I'd like to see you raise the bar in this game. Random votes at the beginning are fine, but if you still have those random votes for random reasons at the end of the day, then you're singalling that you're either lazy or scum or lazy scum.

Or, alternatively, I'm aware that these "scumtells" you're looking for are BS. Do you seriously think that the Mafia are unaware of these scumtells, and wouldn't try to avoid dropping them, even by accident? You're going to get more false positives than real ones...especially when you consider that pretty much everyone has given a "scumtell" by now. They're really only useful for reinforcing our initial assumptions.
And let's say that the scumtells work. You seriously expect that I've picked up on all of them by now? Or do you not give a damn for "noobs"? Oh wait, that's another of your precious scumtells, isn't it? Voting for what seems to you to be "random" reasons, as opposed to your stupid but infallible reasoning?

on a side note, it's fucking hard to find stuff about these kind of charges, as the internet is absolutely flooded by people who believe these kinda charges were used in the WTC attack as an isnide job thing. Fucking internet. These things were patented 2009 god damnit, I really doubt they were sent back in time to take the WTC out.

Come on, if you were faking a terrorist attack, wouldn't you want to send yourself weapons from the future to cover your tracks? Wake up, sheepull!