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Quote from: NewSheoth on November 08, 2010, 05:50:40 pm

Quote from: Xenos on November 08, 2010, 05:44:08 pm

Quote from: NewSheoth on November 08, 2010, 01:44:45 pm

Quote from: Quietust on November 08, 2010, 01:40:38 pm

Quote from: Dariush on November 08, 2010, 01:20:41 pm

Quote from: orbcontrolled on November 08, 2010, 12:59:44 pm

(This advice not applicable to elves, who, due to a glitch, bring more valuable things when cheated repeatedly)

That glitch was fixed in 31.01.

Technically, the only "glitch" is the way caravans pack up their goods (namely, binned goods first) - since pack animals had rather low carrying capacity back in 40d, it was easy for them to try to bring so much crap that they simply ran out of space before loading up the cloth. Once pack animal trade capacities are made to be more realistic in 0.31, this behavior will probably reappear unless Toady futher fixes the binned goods problem.

Though it would be awesome for the elves to have some means of bringing their caravans' carrying capacity to the levels of dwarven and human caravans. Preferrably using some sort of large animals instead of wagons.

or lots of animals.

But huge elephants as large as wagons are just plain cooler.

Lots of huge elephants bigger than wagons

Which are trainable. So you can capture them and unleash them upon the next caravan.

Quote from: NewSheoth on November 08, 2010, 01:44:45 pm

Quote from: Quietust on November 08, 2010, 01:40:38 pm

Quote from: Dariush on November 08, 2010, 01:20:41 pm

Quote from: orbcontrolled on November 08, 2010, 12:59:44 pm

(This advice not applicable to elves, who, due to a glitch, bring more valuable things when cheated repeatedly)

That glitch was fixed in 31.01.

Technically, the only "glitch" is the way caravans pack up their goods (namely, binned goods first) - since pack animals had rather low carrying capacity back in 40d, it was easy for them to try to bring so much crap that they simply ran out of space before loading up the cloth. Once pack animal trade capacities are made to be more realistic in 0.31, this behavior will probably reappear unless Toady futher fixes the binned goods problem.

Though it would be awesome for the elves to have some means of bringing their caravans' carrying capacity to the levels of dwarven and human caravans. Preferrably using some sort of large animals instead of wagons.

or lots of animals.

But huge elephants as large as wagons are just plain cooler.

A Dwarf in a strange mood probably came within inches of going crazy before I finally figured out that he needed more bones, which is why he wasn't collecting all the other stuff I made for him.

Also, The second level of the caverns are apparently home to things called Elk Birds, which I've never encountered before. They haven't killed anybody yet, but they're hostile. I'm considered cancelling all subterranean wood cutting until the Elk Birds have been lured to the surface and caught in my ring of cage traps, along with my caged troglodytes, giant Olms, the cave crocodile, and various other subterranean beasties that I can't figure out how to safely get into a pit to drop Elves into.

At least they're flightless. Otherwise it would've been more unpleasant than that.

Meanwhile at Starhalls, dumping the kobold's corpse into the volcano revealed a curious thing - the magma sea is darn high up. Semi-molten rock is as high as -45z. All the previous worlds with the same parameters had it begin around -100z.
Also, a possible source of !!fun!!: a huge cavern lake, possibly refilling from the edge of the map, is only separated from the volcano by one tile of rock.

Exactly what I'm planning to do
I've reached the 2nd caverns, and there is a forgotten beasts with noxious fumes walking around the 1st ones. I'm not sure what it is waiting for. It must know there is a bunch of marksdwarves behind fortifications to take it down.
Meanwhile, I'm redoing the whole exterior of my fortress to make it aesthetic at last. One wounded dwarf who got infected during her fall! And she's a skilled doctor. Everything is going to get worse soon.
Just as planned.
My fortress will become dwarfy or will not be! Also, why the frig is it not a barony yet.

Maybe because of the barony bug? Try keeping the outpost liaison occupied until the caravan leaves the map, then he will offer you to become a barony. Just don't let him conduct a meeting with the leader.

Meanwhile, my new fortress, Starhalls, is doing fine. I finally installed Dwarf Therapist and it's making my life much easier. The carpenters of the fort are slow for some reason.
Got a few farms up, some with aboveground crops, some with underground. Dug out an entire hill next to the volcano-in-the-ground and hollowed out a room around the edge of the volcano for future use. Going to start magma industries nearby. Preparing an obsidian caster in the meanwhile, a 20x20x2 chamber (it's actually bigger, but the 'operational' area is such). It's almost complete.
The first kobold thief followed the first human caravan but made the mistake of jumping in front of my chained dog swarm (two adult dog and a ton of puppies). He was struck down in a couple of frames.
Completed the wall around the volcano. Planning to erect a tower, will start once the obsidian caster is operational.

I figure I could lock each team's area with a floodgate or something.


Im not so sure about the not letting doctors reach them.  Another point of pointless gladiator fights is to have a full-time awesome hospital.

There's no other way of stopping the doctors from talking to them. Except imagining that they keep silence.

lol these forums... the guys asked a simple enough question and one guy answered, out of two pages.

The rest of us gave (nonsense) advice on how to treat the war leader in question. As well, somehow the topic turned to Medieval 2.

As per someone's sig: On Bay12 forums we can turn any topic into a discussion of any other topic.

Meanwhile, I found an awesome embark. A volcano that is essentially a magma pipe with magma one z-level below the ground, the entire surface only spanning two z-levels, with tons of water and wood. Warm and no aquifers. I think it will be mostly an abovegrounder, but with obsidian.

Quote from: Dariush on November 08, 2010, 01:20:41 pm

Quote from: orbcontrolled on November 08, 2010, 12:59:44 pm

(This advice not applicable to elves, who, due to a glitch, bring more valuable things when cheated repeatedly)

That glitch was fixed in 31.01.

Technically, the only "glitch" is the way caravans pack up their goods (namely, binned goods first) - since pack animals had rather low carrying capacity back in 40d, it was easy for them to try to bring so much crap that they simply ran out of space before loading up the cloth. Once pack animal trade capacities are made to be more realistic in 0.31, this behavior will probably reappear unless Toady futher fixes the binned goods problem.

Though it would be awesome for the elves to have some means of bringing their caravans' carrying capacity to the levels of dwarven and human caravans. Preferrably using some sort of large animals instead of wagons.